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coachgeo 09-21-2013 02:38 PM

Is this a weight bearing wall?
 
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pictures attached are of home and a closet before and after initial tear down.

Closet is in addition to original home built in the 60's. While it does not make since that this wall is weight bearing to me...... it does have a header. So could it be part of what holds up the roof of the addition? Nothing but rafters above it? Neither the original structure or the addition have a ridge beam.

Chimney in the outside picture gives a hint of location of closet. It is against the original structures outer wall (now an interior wall) You can see brick/block chimney in the picture of closet w/sheet rock removed

Don't want to tear out wood construction with out making sure it's not weight bearing.

Tiny Wood Heater/Stove will go in what picture shows as interior of closet; but all of that I hope to remove. SS liner going into the old chimney that was originally for an oil furnace. Appears that after furnace removal the box around it was converted to a closet except for a box around the chimney. I want look of ruff/old thus the desire to keep chimney exposed. Eventually may add faux rock on the chimney to match era of log siding to be done on interior/exterior. Will be Amish look of flat side honed log and chinking.

coachgeo 09-21-2013 02:41 PM

oh and thanks for any help in advance.

Side note......... hope to vault the ceilings as well and add a small lofted child's bedroom. Maybe loft the bed in the existing bedroom as well.

CallMeVilla 09-21-2013 03:32 PM

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If you can access the attic area above the closet, you can easily determine if the framing is BEARING. If the framing runs parallel to the ceiling joists, the wall is not bearing, it is called a partition wall.

I see a typical double top plate framing and a third stud (new) to fram out the closet opening. Makes me think this is just a built-out closet.

If the framing runs perpendicular to the joists, it might be bearing. You will often see a header or a larger structure to support the upper weight. You will also see doubled 2x4s on the ends, sometimes 4x4 and a 2x4 to carry the weight down to the foundation. In your pciture, I see single stud framing attached to the double top plate, again suggesting this is a partition wall.

Oh, and if your single story house is built with trusses in the attic, the interior walls typically will not be load bearing either. That geometry carries the weight to the outside walls.

Can't wait to see what your attic search shows you!

coachgeo 09-21-2013 03:44 PM

Can't get up in attic right now but yes this runs parallel to ceiling joist (from wall to wall) and nothing is above it in the attic. Course the closet just happens to run same direction as joist. Granted the two ends that are perpendicular do NOT have any header at all so that lends to thinking it is build out walls.

Figured as well the newer 2x4 portion of the header was added when reconfiguring the space to closet.

Should have stated earlier but.......... the one vertical on right side of closet in the pic not yet with gypsum board removed is doubled 2x4

CallMeVilla 09-21-2013 06:35 PM

If nothing is above then that is a partition wall. Your trick is vaulting the ceiling ... I would drop the ceiling inside the closet to get a clear view of the framing and to plan your vaulting. Just leave the framing in place in the rare and astounding case that I am wrong (which does happen). Drywall is easy to fix ... collapsed houses are not. :D

coachgeo 09-21-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CallMeVilla (Post 91755)
If nothing is above then that is a partition wall. Your trick is vaulting the ceiling ... I would drop the ceiling inside the closet to get a clear view of the framing and to plan your vaulting. Just leave the framing in place in the rare and astounding case that I am wrong (which does happen). Drywall is easy to fix ... collapsed houses are not. :D

The crawl opening to the ceiling is actually inside that closet. I've been up there all ready which is how I know there is no Ridge beam.

Up there is standard Im guessing 18" apart joist from wall to wall with insulating bats between. Then of course rafters that hold up the roof. Nothing vertical from joist to rafter.

Wood roof is killer solid. Looks like 2x8 construction. Maybe for snow loads? Probably plywood above that before shingles? Guess it could just be tar paper then shingles? If Im not mistaken the joist can be moved up the rafters at the most 1/3 the distance from roof peak that they sit now? Or I can add a ridge beam some how and remove the Rafters?

CallMeVilla 09-21-2013 11:16 PM

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NO, you cannot remove the rafters. You can frame your vaulted ceiling up to the rafters then inmstall collar ties to stabilize the rafters. You will have to insulate and cover the rafter bay. Think of the vaulted ceiling in just the bedroom as you might a light shaft for a skylight ... only larger and no roof penetration. It requires localized framing.

If you cut out the ceiling joists to create a clear space, you will have to reframe support around the cutout section to create the open space for the vaulting.

Look here for some ideas: http://blog.armchairbuilder.com/6051/vaulted-ceiling-precautions/

nealtw 09-21-2013 11:57 PM

Before cutting any framing in the ceiling or roof package, take pictures ask questions, ask some more questions. develope a plan and then ask some more questions.
And hit the like button for Villa before he starts begging again.:)

coachgeo 09-22-2013 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by nealtw (Post 91759)
Before cutting any framing in the ceiling or roof package, take pictures ask questions, ask some more questions. develope a plan and then ask some more questions.
And hit the like button for Villa before he starts begging again.:)

I will do nothing with out some engineering drawings done first.

coachgeo 09-22-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CallMeVilla (Post 91757)
NO, you cannot remove the rafters. ...
If you cut out the ceiling joists to create a clear space, you will have to reframe support around the cutout section to create the open space for the vaulting.

Look here for some ideas: http://blog.armchairbuilder.com/6051/vaulted-ceiling-precautions/

will look at the link. I may have miss used words. Is not rafters what the roof is nailed to (what runs up at an angle) so of course I would not remove these. Joist run from wall to wall and this is what must be removed to vault........ and then of course some structural changes done to accommodate removed joist. It was my understanding original joist could be removed and moved up deeper into the ceiling at a distance no more than 1/3 higher up the rafter's than they were in the first place.

I just like to get full understanding of things before asking a pro like an engineer to draw things up. That way I ask right questions and can steer them in direction I really want to go so I don't end up with something not like I really wanted.


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