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Old 09-23-2013, 08:10 PM  
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Did you measure the ceiling height in the attic. You said you wanted to create a loft but i only see about 5' of ceiling height at the peak. After you build down the rafters to insulation need min of 9.5 inches it might be even more where you live. Then you will have to add floor joists that can span the width of the house. If your lucky a 2x12 may work . Its going to be alot of work for something an 8 year old will not be able to stand up in.
If it was me I would take the whole roof off and create a single roof plane making your deck a covered deck. This will give you the ceiling height for a real bedroom.
thanx but that is impossibly outside my budget. Budget is one reason for a Micro Home design aim in this project. Home is tiny...... only like 650sq feet now.
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You can use a mix of trusses that will frame out the bedroom for half of it and a cathedral for the other half.
Yeah that is one idea. Guess reality says I have to go with putting ceiling right on the rafter's.. maybe with a fir strip added to get correct depth for insulation?? Have exposed collar ties. Also this has a sharp peak....... I'd say 7 foot peak above rafter right now. Hipe Im not wrong on the height. I'll get further up there and measure and do pics. Attic area is totally open with nothing between joist and rafter.

Standing is not a MUST have either if it is thought of as a sleeping loft or office loft......... climb up and sit or lay. Arrange it to where your top of climb puts you right onto bed or chair. Not much different than the way a home is designed for wheelchair bound folk when it comes to everything being designed to work from a sitting situation. Yeah....... Im not afraid to think and do outside the box.


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Old 09-23-2013, 08:39 PM  
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Looking closer i see you only have 7' ceiling on the ground floor. No wonder why you want cathedral ceilings. I had 7' ceilings, I couldnt stand it. I had to blow off the roof.
Im surprised you have 7 feet in the attic.
I wouldnt call the inspector on this project. There is min heights for a finished attics

In the cathedral part i dont think having raised collar ties every 3rd rafter will look bad. Stain it or paint it white and it will add some character



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Old 09-23-2013, 08:56 PM  
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....Im surprised you have 7 feet in the attic.
I wouldnt call the inspector on this project. There is min heights for a finished attics
I hope my eyes are seeing right. Will measure soon. Damn regulations........ hope they dont totally screw me up on this. It's NOT a "finished" attic. Just an overbuilt storage loft? Might be better way to go about it so they don't require stairs. Just want a ladder. Old school.......... Log cabin appeal. Little house on the Prairie thing.

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In the cathedral part i dont think having raised collar ties every 3rd rafter will look bad. Stain it or paint it white and it will add some character
If not stain then I'd box them in and put faux log on them. Maybe I can use ruff cut lumber for the Collar's and stain that? The interior & outer walls getting matching log siding. Ceiling??? maybe panelling so it looks like actual interior side of wood of roof??
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Old 09-28-2013, 07:31 PM  
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Well I'm an idiot. Yep in the attic it is only about 4.5 feet from top of joist to roof at the peak. The slope of the roof makes it impractical to put the usable area of a loft anywhere but dead center to the peak/room.

Tried to take pics but phone's flash could not light up total darkness.

Joist- 16" apart and are 2x6

Rafters- 16" apart except a few which may be to accommodate for total dimension nondivisable by 16"? or something to do with that being area of chimney thru roof? They are all 2x6 as well.

Is that over built spacing? Will that cause issues (good or bad) with Vaulting when it comes to the possibility of using double collar ties and skipping some as addressed earlier?

Roof is 1x12 boards

Will have to do something creative for example in bedroom; Vault the ceiling and lower the loft floor in one section large enough for bed/or office. Underneath is drawers etc. or desk w/roll chair (so no need to stand).

Other option is vault ceiling in bedroom and add a "pull down from ceiling type bed".. except it pulls down only a foot or two and you climb into it as if it was a loft. "pull down loft?" Below that would be office? (so again with rolling chair no need to stand if bed in lower position? Trying to create "perception" of openness in a small space with loft like design as well as accommodate for GF or Spouse who may want to stay up later than the other.

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Not sure how to to do second sleeping space with such low attic space. Can't really set up to drop the loft height anywhere else but bedroom cause moving thru the house you would hit your head on it; like in the middle of the night on the way to the bathroom.

Except......... hmmm???. Drop or fold down single bed over the washing machine and dryer. This is a nook that is on outside wall of the kitchen space. Nook created cause of carving out bathroom space into the square footage of kitchen area. One wall basically bisects the original house separating it into two rooms. One is the bedroom. Other is the kitchen/bathroom.

Remember the area discussed previously for lofting in other post was is the addition living room space. Needing to have usable loft height means loft would run awkward in that space IMHO

hmmmmmmm. For width would require removing one section of kitchen cabinets. For height; since it is on outer wall, thus requiring 3 foot or so drop........ would require folding or drop down bed and removing/modifying the hot water heater which is taller than W/Dryer. go tankless? Space is approx. 5'x8' after removing the kitchen cabinets shown.
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You may want to look at some campers and trailers and how they sneak things into small areas.

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You may want to look at some campers and trailers and how they sneak things into small areas.
I've done that far more than most. Lived in 16ft RV thru much of college and Grad. school and camped in them with family monthly prior to that since about age 9yr
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I don't know how your bathroom is laid out but can you access the washer and dryer from the bathroom if you Flip them around. if so you can box in the washer dryer hot water heater from the nook side and put a bet on top. If you have room maybe that can be your office too.
Another option would be to add small addition closet for the washer dryer and hot water heater. I bet the cost of materials would be close to that of a tankless hot water heater.

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I don't know how your bathroom is laid out but can you access the washer and dryer from the bathroom if you Flip them around. if so you can box in the washer dryer hot water heater from the nook side and put a bet on top. If you have room maybe that can be your office too.
Had grow on me a little but after some deeper contemplation...... I Like your direction. Intawesting hmmm

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Another option would be to add small addition closet for the washer dryer and hot water heater. I bet the cost of materials would be close to that of a tankless hot water heater.
Yeah a portable shed outside is an idea that hit me for this. Would require full cold snow weather insulation and heating or you would avoid washing anything in the winter due too it being to cold to tackle a task you hate doing anyway. You could freeze dry your clothes maybe?
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Thinking deeper on the idea of relocating things in the nook area and/or an addition to house them....... how about both?

Stack the washer dryer in the bathroom. Move the hot water heater outside into a small tall box that is Super Insulated. (hot water freezes easier)

Turn nook into high bed with wardrobe below. Would remove need to vault kitchen area which I didnt want to do. Really only wanted to vault living room area and bedroom.

There is again an avenue not yet explored and that is a trap door with a bed and wardrobe below. This is a pier and beam home.

Also another thing that could open other doors (pardon the pun) but could also move the bedroom door back to its original location which was in the wall separating the kitchen from the bedroom. It was moved at some point when the addition was added.

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Can you give us dementions of the rooms and how many people.



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