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Nestor_Kelebay 06-30-2010 10:03 AM

The dirt on soap scum
 
This post does not ask a question but gives information on how to avoid the formation of soap scum or soap rings on bathtubs in the first place. It was prompted by recent questions on how to remove soap scum from bathtubs.

What's the difference between a "soap" and a "detergent".

The answer is that soap is made from natural materials like plant oils (palm oil and olive oil most commonly) whereas detergents are man-made from chemicals in laboratories.

One of the drawbacks of using soap is that hardness ions in the water will cause soap molecules to form soap scum, and that requires extra cleaning to keep bathroom sinks and tubs clean. Soap scum, in fact, is soap that has simply lost it's solubility in water.

Detergents, on the other hand, are made from chemicals and can be formulated not to be affected by those hardness ions. Consequently, detergents don't lose their solubility in water, and will never form a soap scum ring. This is precisely the reason why you might have a soap scum ring in your bathtub and your bathroom sink, but you'll never see a soap scum ring in your kitchen sink. In fact, about the only time you'll ever see a soap scum ring in a kitchen sink is when people use bar soap in that kitchen sink.

So, to avoid soap scum, avoid the use of bar soap.

Use shampoo and cream rinse in your hair (as those are both detergents) and use a detergent to clean your body instead of soap. Mr. Clean and Fantastik are both very good detergents. Dish washing detergents are formulated to remove cooking oils and grease, but can also be used to clean your skin. Judy apply the detergent to a damp sponge and use it to clean your skin. Or apply it to a very gentle Loofa sponge or white Scotchbrite pad and exfoliate dead skin cells at the same time.

Anyhow, in my position as landlord, I can't tell tenants not to use soap, and to bathe with Mr. Clean, so I have to remove soap scum anyhow. However, for people that are looking for a way to prevent soap scum formation, this is one way to do it.

Also, there is some technology in knowing HOW to clean a surface with soap or detergent.

Both soap and detergent molecules consist of long hydrocarbon chains with one end being polar (that is, with an apparant charge) that causes the end of the molecule to be attracted to water molecules (which are also polar). It's that polar end on the soap molecule that makes it soluble in water. The hydrocarbon chain isn't soluble in water, and so when soap dissolves in water it forms microscopically tiny "balls" called "miscelles".

http://www.bio.miami.edu/~cmallery/2...hem/gk2x20.gif

Because only one end of the soap molecule is attracted to water, these soap miscelles form balls with the polar ends on the outside, and all the hydrocarbon chains collected together on the inside. (The above diagram shows a blob of cooking oil or grease on the inside of the inside of the miscelle, but it really should take up the entire inside volume of the miscelle.

In order to use any soap or detergent effectively, you have to SCRUB the surface to be cleaned with diluted soap or detergent. That scrubbing with soap miscelles causes them to break apart on the surface you're cleaning so that the hydrocarbon ends of the soap or detergent molecules penetrate into the oil or grease on the surface being cleaned. Thus, during cleaning, the soap molcules form a PLANE on the oil or grease with the hydrocarbon chains dissolved in the oil or grease and the polar ends sticking out into the water.

Further scrubbing causes the oil or grease on the surface being cleaned to be scrubbed off that surface and into the water so that the soap molecules dissolved in it once again form a spherical structure with the oil or grease encapsulated on the inside of the miscelle. That full miscelle not only suspends the oil or grease in water so that it can be washed away easily with water, but it prevents the soil inside the miscelle from being redeposited on the surface being cleaned.

So, it's not enough to simply lay in a tub of soapy water. In order for soap or detergent to work, scrubbing is ESSENTIAL. You don't have to scrub hard, but you do have to scrub to both break up the soap miscelles on the surface to be cleaned and scrub the surface to get the soap molecules back into the water so they can reform those spherical miscelles with the soil encapsulated inside them.

There, now you know how to wash your hands.

KatyE 06-30-2010 10:18 AM

Huh. I normally use shower gels. I wonder if those are soap or detergent. I suppose I could just as easily use Dawn. The trick will be to get my husband to switch. I'll give it a try! Thanks!

Nestor_Kelebay 06-30-2010 10:37 AM

KatyE: You should be aware that soaps made with lye (sodium hydroxide, NaOH) will typically be solid and be made into bar soaps. SOAPS made with potassium hydroxide (KOH) will typically be liquid and be made into hand soaps and hand cremes. Both will form soap scums.

You need to use a "detergent" to avoid soap scum, not just a hand soap. So, use general purpose detergents like Mr. Clean, Fantastik, Dawn, etc. or dish washing detergents like Sunlight or others. Or, any cleaner that you discover doesn't leave a soap scum, because that's proof it's a detergent, and not a soap.

Or, try washing your hands with your shower gel in the same bucket of water for a week, and see if a soap scum starts to form in that bucket.

Hope this helps.

Nestor_Kelebay 06-30-2010 12:58 PM

And, for your viewing entertainment tonight, I just happen to find a micrograph (photograph taken through an electron microscope) of an actual soap micelle:

http://nanopedia.case.edu/image/micelle.jpg

A "micron" is one millionth of a meter, or a thousandth of a millimeter. A hair from the head of a caucasian is about 100 microns in diameter. The limit of unaided human vision is about 20 to 30 microns in size. A red blood cell is about 5 microns in diameter.

That picture shows a white horizontal line 200 nanometers long. A nanometer is one billionth of a meter, or 1/1000th of a micron. The line extends about half way across the picture, so the picture is an area of about 400 nanometers square. So a soap micelle is about 350 nanometers in diameter, or about 1/3 of a micron. That's about the size of the organic pigments that are added to paint to give it colour, and it's about 3 times larger than the size of the acrylic resins used to make the binder in latex paints.

I really don't know if a soap micelle would be any larger if it were full of cooking grease. Prolly a bit larger, I guess.

granite-girl 07-01-2010 02:15 PM

Wow! I don't think I could bathe with Mr. Clean, even though he is pretty hunky... lol
I like my caress. Does your family use a "detergent" or soap ?
I have had trouble with soap scum/residue lately because of the drain issue. My 2 year old got in the tub the other night & immediately slipped & fell. He was fine, but I then cleaned the tub as soon as they got out. And am trying to rinse the tub after I shower. I seem to leave lots of soap "foam" after my shower. My husband usually just uses shampoo only.

nancygale12 07-15-2010 06:49 AM

Howdy,

Hmm.......cool sharing,it's informative as well as useful,I appreciate with that.


Thanks

FLGarageDoors 10-18-2010 01:36 AM

Great post, Nestor, thanks for the info! I never thought of that before.

trudy 11-01-2010 12:31 PM

A lot of people make soap or laundry detergents now to save money and the planet. I'm willing to do some extra scrubbing for that. I also think I will not be washing my face or body with Scotchbrite pads any time soon :-)

mrrobinson 09-05-2011 08:47 PM

thanks nester. good tips

grace2010 10-01-2011 09:39 PM

Thanks for sharing this useful tips. I can have a try .


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