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brianosaur 08-16-2013 03:20 PM

Bedding Sand to level pre-cast wall block & pillar kit?
 
Can I use a bit of coarse sand under a 2' high planter wall w/ pillars?

I have the trench pretty well leveled with 6" of compacted RCA but when I test a few blocks of the first row I see some spots need a bit of tweaking. (perhaps 3/16" or 1/4").

Does the wall block & pillars need to go directly on the RCA base or can I screed a bit of sand under it? I'm doing a patio as well and realize that a 1" bed of sand is needed under the pavers, but I'm thinking perhaps only about half that under the wall would really help me get it perfect. Yes or No?



nealtw 08-16-2013 05:31 PM

I would do that with out thinking about it to much, but I have been wrong before.

Drywallinfo 08-17-2013 07:15 AM

Sand works well, but what you should do after you level it is soak it down good. Then compact it with a hand compactor. Check your level again and add sand as needed. Repeat wetting and compacting if you added a lot of extra sand.

mudmixer 08-17-2013 09:16 AM

Too much sand is a mistake. Sand is not stable, since the temporary wetting and compaction will disappear in the long run.

For paving stones (no dimension over 10"), the should be "set" in a screeded 1" maximum thickness of concrete sand on a compacted base. Follow up with a light fine (masonry) sand that is cast lightly over the surface and then a few passes with a vibratory plate compactor to draw sand into the tight joints and make the surface true. - Typical of real paver installations ranging from patios to streets and heavy duty installations of many acres.

For retaining wall block, they are normally set on a compacted base, but up to 1/4 inch of sand can be added if necessary.

Too much sand can be detrimental for strength and stability in both pavers and walls, especially when there are later rains and the pavers and walls can "swim" on/in the wet sand. - Typical internationally for pavers and retaining wall block.

How do pillars fit into the picture?

If you are using the larger "stepping stones", they are separated and allowed to move slightly with mother nature. If you are using common block dry stacked, you can expect them to move in the future.

Dick

Drywallinfo 08-17-2013 11:49 AM

Sounds like what you are putting in is pretty heavy requiring the best stability. Best to follow mudmixer's advice.

What I did worked for my 3 ft pavers I put in 5 years ago but my sand was surrounded by our heavy clay soil and unable to move or dry out.

brianosaur 08-17-2013 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudmixer (Post 90547)
For retaining wall block, they are normally set on a compacted base, but up to 1/4 inch of sand can be added if necessary.

How do pillars fit into the picture?

Pillars are part of the wall.
6" Techo pillar block & 3" Techo wall block

RCA base is close but 1/4" coarse sand would help tweak it.
Thanks


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