Hi Shan, I think we will all work it out. Just as we do on the jobs, I started this thread to get some things moving along, and clarified. I guess with my background I tend to read into things as they are happening, and like to see things progress , instead of regress. I have been on other forums where the folks are downright nasty, and nothing gets accomplished and folks feelings get hurt.
I have been on here for quite some time and would not like to see it change for the worst for those folks such as yourself, who really need some help with their projects.
And of course "we" ,thickheaded, know it all types, with everything to prove...tend to get heated, and occasionally competitive with the quest for the best answer...it's our nature.
I think that is why we get so many good solutions, competition is in the contractor blood.
This place will continue to move along, with the caricatures changing as they do. That is their nature.
Those of use who do stick around, we do it to help people.
Just because it is the right thing to do.
Then there are those Square Eyed guy's who have Glenn as a father, to keep the rest of us in line, and give us plenty of help along the way.
There are many, many, many others doing a great job also, and help to keep up the good times.
" It is a characteristic of wisdom not to do desperate things"
Well...
when you see something offensive. 
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