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Old 03-30-2014, 01:13 PM  
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I don't know if this place will ever be up to code. Im living and working from here right now. It's free rent and I can try to bring it back to life.

The roof is newer than the stuff underneath. I think the stuff underneath once was a porch that became rotten. Someone built a new roof on top of the existing rot. They used it as support!

I shoveled a foot of leaves off of the roof and took photos, and I also took some photos of the foundation. The beam might need to be replaced. Its green.



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Old 03-30-2014, 01:37 PM  
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Roof photos:

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Old 03-30-2014, 04:39 PM  
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As far as resale goes I dont think you can make this house buyable at least above land value without framing out a new roof. So if you planning on selling it ever be aware any money and effort you are putting into the interior you will probably not get back. So what Im say is refiance and go all out or do it as cheap as possible to make it livable.

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I guess I wasn't being mean. Just do what you have to to make it livable, no extra money. Anything that you need advice on ,we will be glad to help

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Thanks Neal. I don't know anything about selling houses. Unless the lakes start to rise I don't see myself putting any real money into the place. It is a nice place to write a book and get out of the big city. Relatives bought the kitchen cabinets. So far I have bought a tankless water heater, Romex, and breaker.

I know the kitchen has the old roof under the new roof and that there is a beam that is rotten. I need to figure out how to make a few temp walls so I can replace the beam.

The old roof is in the way! The new roof rests on the old rotten roof.

Do I buy a few jacks and replace the rotting beam outside before taking on the kitchen? Guyod is that what you meant by foundation?

Guyod You weren't being mean at all. My treehouse as a kid was built better than this place! This place is a hillbilly special.

I'll try to pull some lights onto the old roof and take some photos. The roof doesn't leak. The rotten wood is from when the hillbilly lived here.

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(If) I am looking at the right place, you are talking about the beam above the green light fixture in the 4th photo in post #4.
Two thing to look at first, are the ceiling joists on the other side of the beam, hanging on this beam. Likely not but you want to be sure. then will the floor be strong enough to hold the extra weight of the roof. Extra wood on the floor to spread the load onto more joists or extra support under the floor to transfer the weight to the ground.
Once you have sorted that out a temp wall can be built with a stud cut to the angle of the rafter and a block nailed to the side and the rafter so everything stays put. One stud for each rafter.

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On the bigger picture look at it this way you are living for very little cost there and you have very little invested. If you were paying rent what would it cost you for a place and maybe not as nice of a location? So if you were to invest every month what you would be paying in rent you will still be ahead of the game.

We just bought a short sale home for cash and not much of it that was in really deplorable shape. The idea being fix it up as best we could and not for resale and have cost free living as far as a payment after that. You are doing much the same.

You need to know your place is safe first off and then sound secondly. I see the rot issues not being caused by the roof over the roof but by a combination of the first roof maybe having started it before someone tried to fix it with the second roof and then and now the second roof needing some work and letting moisture in to get the decay started again. Getting all that stuff off the roof was a good start and after you get it shored up inside I would be back on that roof giving it a soft power wash and then a new coating of something. Looks like there are a few spots that could use the rolled roofing patched and others that would get by with a tar job.

The new place we bought has a detached garage that the roof is worse than yours and the long range plan will be some metal barn like roofing but as soon as the snow goes away here I plan on doing some rolled roofing and tar for now. I would rather spend the extra cash on the main house.

That valley on your place looks like the worst place and maybe some of the roofing guys will offer some advice on how to patch that up better than tar. I know people that have used the ice dam stuff in areas like that.

Are those live oaks I see growing around?

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A dollar saved is a dollar earned. With taxes more like $1.30. So Im all for what your doing.

Your lucky there is no snow load. If you can walk on roof without alot of bounce i doubt it is in danger of falling down.
I would start by removing anything that is not load bearing from old roof. Then take a picture and use paint program to mark where the beam is. There is so much going on its hard to see what is going on without being there.

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Sorry I screwed up your names. I was on the iPhone app and have the memory of a gnat.
Bud they are live oaks.

I think like all of you have said, what I need to do is to do as little as it takes to make it safe. I can live here and fix it up as I go.

The electric was replaced years ago, the water pipes are fine. It looks like the roof and foundation are the issues, anything else is cosmetic.

Guyod: The roof doesn’t bounce. I didn’t walk on the slopped part.

Bud: I think you are right about the roof. It will need a coat of something or ??? I don’t know what an ice damn is. Ill look it up.

I think since there is no gutter, water from maybe the entire house pours from the roof at that section and splashes everything. It really rains here. (I don’t know if a gutter could take all of the water.) I have watched the interior wall and even with the cracks in the siding it doesn’t get wet.

Im positive the kitchen once was a screened porch. The old roof must have slanted in such a way that the water ran down the corner stud. It became rotten. So the best solution is to leave it, add a bunch of nails and extra wood, then build a new room.



NealTw: 4th photo post #4 is outside with a water hose and rotten beam. The beam is 2 2x4’s and It is under the part of the kitchen that needs to be replaced. I’m not sure how to jack the house up. There is dirt almost touching the beam along the house.

I guess I dig the dirt out from under the rotten beam so I can reach the floor joist. Then slowly jack each one up until I can pull out the beam and replace it.. with pressure treated wood? Do I put a jack at every floor joist?

I have taken some photos of the ceiling joists.. they are a work of art!


Ill read the previous posts again and make sure I didn’t miss any questions.
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