DIY Home Improvement, Remodeling & Repair Forum > DIY Home Improvement > Framing and Foundation > Load Bearing Wall Removal Advice (point load?)





Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-16-2010, 02:38 PM  
stringer9
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 4
Default Load Bearing Wall Removal Advice (point load?)

Hi there
New to this thread but wanted to get some advice from anyone out there. Im removing a load bearing wall from the first floor of a 1939 tudor style house in Denver. The load that I am working with is under the hip-roof portion of the house. The wall that I am removing runs in the same direction as the ceiling joists however in the attic there is a beam (I believe its called a Purlon?) that runs midway along the roof joists around the hip roof section. To hold the beam up, supports (3 2x4's forming a "V" shape) bring the load from that beam down to a few walls in the house. Because there are no ceiling joists resting on this wall, I just need to deal with either relocating or resupporting the "V" elsewhere. What would you recommend? Is this normal framing for a hip roof or is this just additional support for a snow load? Pictures attached.
Thanks in advance!







__________________
stringer9 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-16-2010, 03:51 PM  
oldognewtrick
Moderator
HRT_MODERATOR.png
 
oldognewtrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 3,773
Liked 277 Times on 232 Posts
Likes Given: 89

Default

Stringer, what type of roof surface is on your house?


...and welcome to House Repair Talk.



__________________
oldognewtrick is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-16-2010, 04:45 PM  
stringer9
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 4
Default Roof type

Thanks!
Its the original 1x8 planks covered with a layer of OSB board, felt and dimensional asphault shingles (just one brand new layer).

__________________
stringer9 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-16-2010, 09:56 PM  
GBR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 337
Liked 18 Times on 17 Posts
Likes Given: 9

Default

Hard to make a ruling as we don't know the rafter size, span, or spacing. The rafters could be over-spanned and the purlins and struts added at installation to compensate. Very hard to re-locate the struts as they are where they belong to handle normal loads and additional snow loads. You could possibly install a beam in the attic running from other bearing walls, carrying that load, to compensate, but the bearing to the ground below would be a real pain to accomplish. Could you add a new beam in the attic directly above the existing wall? Remember when you remove a section of wall from below it affects the shear flow from the roof above. What would be removed below? Does this wall run to the outside wall?

Gary

__________________
GBR is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-17-2010, 06:49 AM  
inspectorD
Housebroken
HRT_MODERATOR.png
 
inspectorD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Litchfield, CT
Posts: 3,908
Liked 82 Times on 71 Posts
Likes Given: 159

Default well

I know you already know this, however,you could follow the advice of strangers and end up with a serious problem costing thousands of dollars.
Or you can call in an engineer for $300 and have a piece of paper to go along with the right way to do it.
I would just hate to hear you have cracked ceilings and sagging joists that go along with the roof leaks this winter.

Bottom line is, there will be a beam in the attic to span the load, but where the posts go to carry that load, or if it will even fit are the answers we guess at.
Hope this helps, and good luck.

__________________

Just My
Made in the

inspectorD is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-17-2010, 01:03 PM  
stringer9
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 4
Default

Thanks for the fast responses!
I was thinking about doing exactly that- replacing it with a beam (maybe two 2x12's) which would carry the load back to the exterior wall and an internal load bearing wall (which I was going to beef up to handle the new load). In the basement the load is transferred through the floor but there is no wall underneath the wall Im removing. this makes me think the struts and beam are just there for supplemental support then I see that the rafter spacing is 24 inches which leads me to believe the beam and struts are there for more than just supplemental support? Maybe time for an engineer....

__________________
stringer9 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-17-2010, 02:32 PM  
oldognewtrick
Moderator
HRT_MODERATOR.png
 
oldognewtrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 3,773
Liked 277 Times on 232 Posts
Likes Given: 89

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stringer9 View Post
Maybe time for an engineer....
Yep. Time for an engineer.
__________________
oldognewtrick is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-20-2010, 09:51 PM  
superJon
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 1
Default Wow Big Project, Maybe Reachout?

From the sounds of it this is a pretty complex project. Have you considered reaching out to any of the local universities to see if you can get some AE help? As an engineering student, we'd love the opportunity to "consult" on something like this. I know my professors would be all over the real-world opportunity.

(Not sure how insurance and all that good stuff works, but seems like a great opportunity. Just as long as we've got some hardhats we'd be set)

Good luck -

A

__________________
superJon is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-25-2010, 02:48 PM  
stringer9
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 4
Default Reach out

Great Idea! Ill look into that. Thanks



__________________
stringer9 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter DIY Home Repair Forum Replies Last Post
Load bearing wall removal ikessky General Home Improvement Discussion 5 03-24-2010 09:08 PM
Load bearing wall bfash General Home Improvement Discussion 9 11-28-2007 08:01 AM
Load bearing wall???? Outbacker Walls and Ceilings 4 04-17-2007 08:47 AM
Load Bearing Wall Ozzie16 Framing and Foundation 2 03-24-2006 09:26 PM
Load bearing wall dukefan Flooring 4 02-23-2006 11:40 PM