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Please tell us how you make out. Post some pictures and time lines or just info would be great.It's getting so folks here (not yourself yet)get the answers and dont follow through with the outcome.It helps if we all know how are advice works out. Like are we close or way off what you end up with in the end.

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I meet with Tom of Robbins and Co. next Wed. to get their costs and approach. In the meantime, the contractor is examining a more conventional approach of temporary supports with cribbing. I'm hoping to reach a conclusion by next week this time.



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Well????
Would love to here what the results are.............
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Well, its been long enough...

I have overstayed my time...

Nice to see and get to know you all...

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Well, its been long enough...

I have overstayed my time...

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???

Where are you going Jesse?

You're up to $2.34, 2 cents at a time.

Why quit now?

I never saw a flame or anything too aggressive against you.

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Would love to here what the results are.............
No results yet, but soon I hope. It's taken time for getting a permit, lining up excavator and foundation contractors and deciding on house lifter. We thought we were all set there until today.

The house lifter we had selected has been out twice. The first time he was out he gave us a verbal estimate of $13000 if we wanted the fireplace structure lifted with the house. If we got rid of the fireplace, it dropped $1500 to maybe 11.5. We took a couple weeks to shop around and get a few more quotes. One never got back to us and the other came in at 16,000. I can vouch for this guy, his firm did a friends house, very professional. We also decided to remove the entire fireplace assembly (82 yrs old, very crumbly mortar).

We called the lifter and said we were ready to sign up. He came out again, because he had lost our paperwork over the past 4 weeks it took to get the permit moving and had forgotten about us. Today we finally got the written proposal - $17000 - after we've already pulled the chimney. We're bummed. They have us penciled in for a June 1st lift, but we feel like we're getting fleeced all of a sudden. May fall back to the second bidder if he is still available. What would you do? Is it normal to be off 33% on an estimate of this size?
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Don't wait to long....the prices keep going up!! I'm sure you have done your research. Do you like one over the other? Does one seem more professional? Lost paperwork is not a good start. Verbal agreement's on price are not a sign of a good contractor in my opinion. A written estimate to follow is usually what I would tell a customer that hounded me for a ballpark price on the spot. To do otherwise is to create an anxiety and a potential lack of confidence from the start.They seem to be in the same price range, and the second contractor has worked with your neighbor with good results.Did the second contractor give you a verbal price also?

My opinion? Go with what you think is the professional. On-time to the meeting,cleanliness of equipment,job and person,communication abilities are big items....who has more experience is the biggest question. You don't want to loose your home to collapse. What kind of differences in their insurance are there?
Don't let the price matter to much because you do get what you pay for. (If you pay close attention to details)Then answer these questions and see what pans out.

Do it quick....do you have that sinking feeling yet?

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Both are considered the best in the area, experience is about equal. The one whose estimator came out and has the 33% markup is a big firm that has done lots of jobs. It's Robbins & Co., they are an IASM member and do lots of commercial work too. The other concern Kunkel, is 4th generation local lifters and movers, smaller, not IASM, and more focussed on residential lifts and moves, but from what I've heard, very conscientious, professional and hardworking. I am leaning towards the second if he can fit me in. This is no longer about price, it is about ethics.

My guess on this is that the field rep for the first company is either a lousy estimator or a jerk. It's hard to say how well he represents the company or just his commision. What I suspect happened is that he submitted his proposal to the shop foreman, aka the guy actually setting up the work, and the shop foreman tacked on an extra day. In this business the cost are roughly $4K/day, so that would explain the 33% increase. I can understand this and would go with it if we had an upfront contract specifying that the deal is for $13K if 3 days and if it goes to 4 days then $17K, but so far this hasn't been presented by the first party. With the second company, you deal with one person, the owner. He is a straight shooter and thus becoming my choice.

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The one man operation sounds like a good alternative.
Bigger companies sometimes don't give you the personal commitment you may want.
Get some references and don't pay in full till your satisfied.
Did you ever find out what the underlying problem was?

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Spoke with the large company rep first thing today. He thinks it may be as I suggested, an extra day got tacked on by the crew foreman who hasn't been to the site. He says as soon as crews are dispatched, he will check with the foreman. Should be back to me within the hour. I proposed that we negotiate a new contract, (I haven't signed yet), based on 3 crew days with a rider for the 4th day in case it takes that long. Should hear back from them soon.

If they're not reasonable, we'll go with the smaller firm. But that will likely mean a reschedule of everybody involved. At this point, this not that trivial. We're supposed to start lifting in one week.

Is this what you meant by the underlying problem?

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Yep, that was the case. They tacked on an extra day for cleanup. After talking it over we've agreed that 3 days should suffice. The contract is now back at original estimate with a condition that if a 4th day is required I pay the $3.7k for that day.

Just met with the excavator. He's worked with this firm and says they do their job well. So we're signed up and on track for lift on 5/30. The house will be in the air for 3 weeks. Should have pics and more news in a little over a week.



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