DIY Home Improvement, Remodeling & Repair Forum > DIY Home Improvement > Framing and Foundation > Wall Partition in Garage - need footer?




Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-29-2011, 11:07 AM  
cmarlo
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2
Default Wall Partition in Garage - need footer?

I was intending to convert the back section of our 3 car garage into a workshop. All I want to do is install a simple partition wall. (2x4, insulation, 1/2 dry wall, insulated door) The wall is non-load bearing.

I spoke with one of the inspectors at the permit office and they told me I would have to break through the concrete, dig and poor a 4' footer under that wall. This is crazy.

He told me I need to do this to avoid being in contact with the garage concrete which could heave as much as 2". The house is relatively new construction. I know concrete can expand and contract, but in that past 4 years of brutal winters, I've never seen it heave. Two inches seems a lot.

He didn't offer me many solutions.

Has anyone run into this when doing the same to their garage. Did they get a permit? If I don't put any electrical on that wall, can I avoid a permit? How can I challenge the permit office?

Thanks to anyone that can offer advice.



__________________
cmarlo is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-29-2011, 04:04 PM  
oldognewtrick
Moderator
HRT_MODERATOR.png
 
oldognewtrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 5,044
Liked 416 Times on 347 Posts
Likes Given: 134

Default

So if I understand your question, you want to convert an area inside a finished garage into a work shop and the codes inspector wants you to break up existing concrete why? What will adding a non-load bearing wall do to cause any additional frost heaving? Are you sure you explained your intentions so he understood you correctly?

If all else fails hire a structural engineer. Its not that expensive to get their stamp on a design to take to the codes office.



__________________
oldognewtrick is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-29-2011, 05:17 PM  
nealtw
Contractor
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: vancouver, b.c.
Posts: 9,766
Liked 802 Times on 715 Posts
Likes Given: 1362

Default

If all he is worried about is frost heaving you could build a slip joint wall like they do in log houses or make sure you don't build it under a floor joist or ceiling joist so if it does heave you won't dammage structure. The engineer will agree with the inspector because they will want to have a break between heated and cold concrete and the only way they can tell to do that is the way he told you.
They are not allowed to tell you short cuts.
A slip joint wall is built with two peice studs screwed together thru slots and leave the drywall 2" off the floor and cover that with molding.

__________________
nealtw is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-29-2011, 06:40 PM  
inspectorD
Housebroken
HRT_MODERATOR.png
 
inspectorD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Litchfield, CT
Posts: 4,036
Liked 119 Times on 99 Posts
Likes Given: 267

Default or

If this is to be a heated shop, just cut the concrete floor at the wall. Then you can have a 2 inch trip hazard when it heaves.

Just kidding, Just heat and insulate the entire garage...no heaving, no more issue.

__________________

Just My
Made in the

inspectorD is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-29-2011, 07:50 PM  
epox
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: montgomery, alabama
Posts: 9
Default

Frame your wall....pull your wires....and be done with it ....dang a permit for some stupid stuff like that.

__________________
epox is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-30-2011, 10:38 PM  
nealtw
Contractor
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: vancouver, b.c.
Posts: 9,766
Liked 802 Times on 715 Posts
Likes Given: 1362

Default

I kinda think epox has the right idea unless you think there is alot of water under the floor.



__________________
nealtw is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter DIY Home Repair Forum Replies Last Post
Solid Foamboard good for small partition office in garage? Hoss Insulation and Radiant Barriers 0 03-30-2010 09:18 AM
Where to buy/find builder for partition wall and door asap charlesmanny1 General Home Improvement Discussion 4 11-26-2009 08:26 PM
1 Story Footer to 2 Story Footer CA Willy Bricks, Masonry and Concrete 1 08-18-2008 07:40 AM
footer question erndog Bricks, Masonry and Concrete 0 08-07-2008 11:58 AM
Simple partition wall question artboy Framing and Foundation 2 04-30-2006 11:30 AM