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storage_man 03-13-2009 11:39 AM

Ceramic Disc Cartridge Failure
 
First the problem. I have a new faucet that is 1.2 years old and has gone thru 4 ceramic disc cartridges.

Some Background. About 1.5 years ago, I planned executed a Major Master Bath re-model. Part of the re-model was massive relocation of plumbing. I decided that I would contract the pluming out to a lic plummer. As part of this project we picked out a series of Danze fixtures for the Shower, Tub and Vanity. The Vanity fixture is a Model D222658 designed for a Vessel sink. This is the faucet that is causing the problem.

Danze has been very good at supplying new cartridges, but I'm getting tired of R&R'ing them. After a replacement, it works fine for about 3-4 months. Then you will notice a drip in the sink. Now the sink is black, so the drips are very noticeable. If I do nothing, the drip gets worse and worse.

Also, when the dripping starts, if you use the faucet, you hear air in the lines, like the cartridge is allowing air into the line.

Two other points - The house is a 2 story building and this faucet is the "Highest" one in the house. The other point is the vanity is 36" tall. When installing the faucet, the lines that came with it would not reach the stub's in the wall. We had to use extensions (actually they are way to long) and have to be coiled under the sink.

I hope somebody has an idea, since I have lived in this house for over 20 years and at best only replaced 2 cartridges over that time.

Thx

CraigFL 03-14-2009 06:41 AM

I think it's something in the faucet itself. In order to prove it, I would replace the faucet, wait the 4 months and see if the new one starts leaking too.

storage_man 03-14-2009 03:55 PM

I've been trying to get them to commit for a new faucet, but so far all they only want to send replacement cartridges.

pintopony 03-15-2009 07:03 AM

Do you have capped off extensions that extend above the supply lines? If not, you should since that is the highest point in your plumbing.

pintopony 03-15-2009 07:14 AM

Do you have extensions in the supply line that go above the sink? If not you should since that appears to be the highest point in your system. It sounds similar to a water hammer problem that could be altered by the coiled lines under the sink.

storage_man 03-15-2009 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pintopony (Post 28516)
Do you have capped off extensions that extend above the supply lines? If not, you should since that is the highest point in your plumbing.

I assume your talking about something like this ->

http://i39.tinypic.com/m8o32u.jpg

Would this cause my problem if I didn't have this ?

Redwood 04-13-2009 10:39 PM

Okay, lets not even talk about the air chambers and recharging them.
They are useless and a waste of time.

If you are going to do something with them install hammer arrestors, They have a piston in them that prevents loss of the air charge. This means they work!

Still it is not your problem.

Get a lazy hand pressure gauge that screws on a hose bibb and set it up for 24 hours and the lazy hand will record the highest pressure reached. Post back with your highest pressure reached.

http://www.watts.com/prod_images/hi-res/276H300.jpg

storage_man 04-18-2009 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redwood (Post 29403)
Okay, lets not even talk about the air chambers and recharging them.
They are useless and a waste of time.

If you are going to do something with them install hammer arrestors, They have a piston in them that prevents loss of the air charge. This means they work!

Still it is not your problem.

Get a lazy hand pressure gage that screws on a hose bibb and set it up for 24 hours and the lazy hand will record the highest pressure reached. Post back with your highest pressure reached.

http://www.watts.com/prod_images/hi-res/276H300.jpg


Redwood

Thanks for the post. I couldn't fine one of these gages locally, so I ordered one. It should be in next week. What are we looking for ?

I also want to update. I decided to buy ( a replacement cartridge from the mfg), bu a new one in a package. I installed it and withing 2 days it started dripping again. But I have found something new, If I switch the handle to the hot side, It doesn't leak ? If I leave it on the cold side, within 24 hrs, it starts dripping again ?

I'll post the numbers as soon as I get the gage.

Redwood 04-18-2009 09:27 PM

With the pressure gauge you are looking for a recorded pressure over 80 psi...
That would be cause for concern...

The handle may have something to do with it.
Check the stops on the handle for flashing or burrs that may stop it short of closing completely.

I'm not a fan of Danze, Pegasus, Glacier Bay, and a few other junk brands...

storage_man 04-19-2009 10:59 AM

Redwood

I've done the handle check - I even ran the faucet without the handle
for a couple of weeks. Nothing changed.

I'll let you know about the pressure test in a couple of days.


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