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Old 12-09-2011, 08:57 AM  
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The bowl refill tube needs to clip on top of the overflow tube to prevent the water in the tank from siphoning through the refill tube into the bowl.

Universal-Rundall? There is a good reason why those aren't made anymore....
I'd say they have a spot in the top 10 list of worst designs for toilets...



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There is a small tube like opening at the top of the overflow tube and the refill tube is inserted into the overflow tube through that.

I dont see any clips on there. Is this something that i need to do manually? if so how do i do that? i can post a picture of how things look if that would help.



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The Universal - Rundle needs to have a self supporting bowl fill . The only kind I know about are the Brass fill valve with copper tube that is stationary (not connected to the overflow tube). Big pain in the butt to fix and keep working correctly. Might I suggest a new Toilet.

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The Universal - Rundle needs to have a self supporting bowl fill . The only kind I know about are the Brass fill valve with copper tube that is stationary (not connected to the overflow tube). Big pain in the butt to fix and keep working correctly. Might I suggest a new Toilet.
Yep either the tube has to be ridgid copper or, a very flexible line that can move with the flush valve.

I'd consider a new toilet as well....
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Thanks for the responses & suggestions.

I am a new Diy'er and would not risk changing the toilet myself. I have 3 toilets which are all universal-rundall. 2 of them developed this issue and i had addressed one of them by cleaning out the flapper with a scrotch-brite pad. After that it has stopped leaking water into the bowl.

If i had to change its better to change all 3 instead of just the one that is still having problems.

How much is the typical cost to get the toilets replaced? I saw a sign in home depot saying that they will do toilet installations (on specific ones i guess) for $69. I will need to update my guest bathroom as well since its outdated now. Putting a new toilet in there will look very odd - guess i can do that later on.

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How much is the typical cost to get the toilets replaced? I saw a sign in home depot saying that they will do toilet installations (on specific ones i guess) for $69.
You usually get what you pay for...

I would highly recommend checking whatever toilet you decide on against the MaP Report listings for performance at this link... or if that link expires the new version will be found here...

The link above is the latest revision of the MaP Report in which toilets are tested for flushing capacity. However, it is not a test of quality only performance which is a good start. A toilet that constantly plugs up is certainly useless on that basis alone and we would be happy to discuss other aspects of various toilet models with you.

When you think about it having toilets that work well in your home is pretty important considering each person will use it about 5 times a day and it will remain in your home for 20 years or, more....

20 years of having a toilet that constantly plugs up, malfunctions causing high water usage and bills, or floods your home when the yellow zinc plated steel bolts securing the tank to the bowl rust away because the manufacturer was too cheap to use brass bolts, can easily erase any savings you had from buying a cheapo toilet....

When I pick out a toilet for my customers I install in most cases a Toto Drake II model CST454CEFG which can usually be obtained for around $300 despite the much higher MSRP listed on Toto's website. It is one of the few toilets sold in this country which stands a good chance of being manufactured in the USA.... Ironic considering Toto is a Japanese company.... Most US companies are making their toilets in China & Mexico....
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You usually get what you pay for...
The installation charge is $69 & not the actual cost of the toilet itself. We just bought the house close to 2 yrs ago. We are newbies and didnt notice these things before buying the house.

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or floods your home when the yellow zinc plated steel bolts securing the tank to the bowl rust away because the manufacturer was too cheap to use brass bolts
I can see that the bolts are actually rusted in my toilets as well. Dont know how long i have until it gives away.

I will think about getting my toilets replaced soon. I will have more questions for the forum very soon ;-)
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The installation charge is $69 & not the actual cost of the toilet itself. We just bought the house close to 2 yrs ago. We are newbies and didnt notice these things before buying the house.
Right! And HD subs out it's work at low ball prices so you usually get a contractor that doesn't have a lot of irons in the fire so to speak, that is struggling to survive thinking they can make money on quantity not quality...


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