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Old 06-06-2009, 04:24 PM  
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I am trying to locate a shower drain fitting but having no luck. Been to all the local stores and have done an exhaustive search online with no results. It is the weekend so I can't call a plumbing supply house for help, thought I would try here.

I have a shower setup that isn't the normal way so I have to improvise. For whatever reason when they built this house 40 years ago they put the shower drain about 2 1/2 feet from the commode. I removed a cheap square 32" shower stall that sat on a raised tray and the drain was plumbed over to the cast iron pipe in the concrete. This is in a basement. I am putting in a corner shower stall but the drain isn't anywhere near the shower base drain opening. I am using a masonry blade in my circular saw and air chisel with my compressor to make a trench in the concrete to lower the plumbing down enough to fit under the new shower base.

I am trying to replace this fitting because I tore it up removing the old shower stall. The fitting has a 2" threaded opening that attached to the shower drain and a horizontally located 1 1/2" non threaded opening for pvc pipe. On the bottom of the fitting it says, "PVC-DWV NO.82.305 WHITE US Patent NO. 3895398. I searched on google with these numbers with no luck as well.

If anyone has any idea what this thing is called or where I could get one please let me know. Pictures provided below...

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Old 06-06-2009, 05:17 PM  
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I live in PA so being up to code isn't a big deal here. No required plumbing lic. or electricians lic either, for that matter, the only problem I would run into would be a home inspector getting inquisitive sometime in the future, I am not that concerned really.

I was hoping to go with a similiar setup like I took out so I am not chiseling and cutting all kinds of concrete out of the floor. With my luck around here I would go all the way through the concrete floor and hit the water tables, flooding the basement. I want to make this as painless as possible. Thats why I am looking for this same type fitting.

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This must be a plumbing part that was only used in Pennsylvania because this web site:

https://keithspecialty.com/fixt.bathtubs_showers.htm

is for a business that's also in Pennsylvania and that advertises a

"1 1/2" pvc 90 degree shower drain with white strainer" for $21.95

Google "90 degree shower drain" and Kohler will show up in the results list. You might want to go look at a Kohler catalogue as you might find something of better quality, such as solid brass, there.

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i am surprised any sells that as it is a illegal sewer fitting
you need your shower drain to drop directly into the top of a p trap to block sewer gas from coming back into the house ! !

This is to protect the health and safety of your family and anyone you might sell the house to in the future

your shower drain connects directly to a city sewer where all the bacteria and germs are running,
or up from a septic tank

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Fortunately, your wrong on two points, the trap is cemented under the cement floor and it runs into a gray water pipe that doesn't run into my septic. I live in Western PA and they could care less about "code" around here.

Want to try another useless rant?

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Old 06-07-2009, 05:49 PM  
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No but it probably stops us plumbers from having any desire to help you...

So go ahead install that cobbled up mess that if it ever clogs will be very difficult to clean...
When now with things apart it probably could have been done right in the time it has taken you to post it on the several forums and run around looking for a fitting that doesn't meet code...

I don't care what you install in your home...
I could care less if it works or, meets code...
But, if you don't care either I can't give you the time of day...
It's not worth me wasting my time...

Press on!

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sound like a bunch of lawyers plumber lawyers.

glad I'm a controls engineer

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I just get a warm feeling when everything comes together, just like the love in this forum.

OK, everybody, big group hug!!!

Seriously, though, why would a horizontal offset of what looks to be less than a foot make the drain "illegal"? On every bathtub you have a similar horizontal offset before the p-trap. On my sister's double kitchen sink, there's a horizontal offset between each of the two drains and the one p-trap. On every washing machine's stand pipe, there's at least a 3 foot vertical offset between the top of the stand pipe and the p-trap?

This web page says that in Wisconsin, the plumbing code allows for a total of 15 inches of combined vertical and horizontal piping between the shower drain and the trap.
http://www.plbg.com/forum/read.php?1,351698
The original poster's pictures show that his drain wouldn't be much more than that, so he'd be legal in Wisconsin.

And, the only thing on that web page that gives any reason not to have a horizontal offset between the shower drain and the trap is the statement:
The 15" piece of horizontal pipe before the trap will have a tendency to give off odors. Hair, soap scum, etc can build up , decay, and have a bad smell. Since its before the trap theres no water seal to prevent this.

But, if memory serves, you have about 15 inches of empty pipe before every bathtub p-trap in the world that, by rights, should also "have a tendency to give off odors", and yet it's never been a problem. I have 21 bathtubs, and NONE of them give off offensive odors or I couldn't rent my suites. So, why would a shower be any worse in that regard than a bathtub?

And, let's not put this post in the bag marked "If you're telling people not to follow their building codes, you're putting their lives at risk and you otta be shot". There has to be some sober reasoning behind the plumbing code, but it seems to be treating showers different than bathtubs, even though lots of bathtubs are used as showers. So, why are short horizontal offsets perfectly fine on bathtubs and double kitchen sinks but if you go a little longer on a shower drain, it's apparantly so dangerous as to be "illegal".

Can anyone explain, cuz I sure as he11 can't.

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Old 06-08-2009, 04:47 AM  
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Default Thanks for the information Nestor...

Something tells me I would appreciate your input while your standing in my basement bathroom giving me advice. Some of these other guys I can almost picture the exposed crack as their t-shirt (that doesn't fit and has holes in it) rides up their back. A bunch of them sound like they want to be lawyers when their speaking the code.

This thing worked fine with the old shower, I am simply replacing that old shower and putting in something nicer. I don't really smell anything out of that hole. When you look down inside that hole you see a much larger opening and I think a floor drain also empties into it.

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Nestor, what Wisconsin Code has to do with a Plumbing situation in Pennsylvania I don't know...

This shower is clearly a hacked up mess that was created when someone put in a shower and plumbed it to an existing floor drain, hence the raised platform and cobbled up mess.

Now it's even starting to sound like it's an indirect drain at that...

Sheesh!

Rip it out and do it right!
I'm sticking by my answer.

BTW that pvc electrical conduit is a sweet touch...



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