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tooltime 06-20-2006 12:39 PM

Loosing water for 10-20 seconds.
 
Hello,
I am having an issue with my water, the water will shut off for roughly 10-20 seconds on its own and restart. It happens both in the bath and kitchen, so itís not something in the line in my opinion.
I am on a well system, and I am thinking that my well pump is not doing to well. I think the one time I ran the water upstairs and ran down to watch the pump, it didnít kick on until like 10 psi. It does work, but from looking at the pressure gauge it is reading around 20-30 psi on average. The pump is connected to a small 20 gallon or so tank , guessing itís the pressure /water holding tank.

Is it my well pump?
Any troubleshooting I can do to?
If it is my well pump, any recommendations for a new one?

At this point, I don't want to call a pro, and be told I need ot purchase soemthing unneccessary.
If I left out any needed info, jsut ask and I will do my best to give an accurate respose :cool:
Thank you for your assistance.:D

glennjanie 06-20-2006 01:26 PM

Hello ToolTime:
Yes, it does sound like the pump is on the fritz. However, most well pumps have an adjusting screw to set the pressure; you could jack it up a little more. The expansion tank also may have an air valve on it (looks just like the ones on your tires) and the air pressure may need to be adjusted. This air is held in a rubber bladder in the tank and helps to even out the pressure while the pump cycles. You could push the valve stem and make sure it is air rather than water that comes out; sometimes the bladder deteriorates with age and leaks. If the pump is downhill from the house it adds pressure on the pump making it quite a strain to pump water to the second story especially.
Let us know how you come out.
Glenn

tooltime 06-20-2006 02:52 PM

Thank you glennjanie!
The pump sits in a small room underneath my front ďporchĒ in the basement.

According to this pdf instuction manual my pump is a J5(S), GB. There is a chart on pg 8 of the PDF for PSI settings, but itís not clear to me how to adjust the PSI to begin with.
My pump set up is different from the images in the manual.
Nor do I see a valve as it says in the manual ďAfter the pump is primed and flowing water at a steady pressure you should open a few faucets and adjust the pressure control valve to the pressure listed in the chart. To increase pressure close the valve, AV5 or AV22, or turn the AV2screw clockwise. See Chart 1. ď

Some images to see what Im working with:
http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/2761/pump0014pb.jpg

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3052/pump0028wd.jpg

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/4166/pump0034yo.jpg

Goulds J Plus
Model No. HQ243921
Motor- A.O. Smith
Model C48A93A06

Hope this helps you, help me :D

manhattan42 06-20-2006 08:19 PM

Symptoms
 
The symptoms you describe can also be caused by nothing related to the pressure tank.

You could have a ruptured water service line from or in the well that is causing air to infiltrate the system and lower the pressure.

A typical symptom of a ruptured water service line is to have a full flow of water an then suddenly nothing..followed by air spurting and a returned flow of water.

Unfortunatley a ruptured water service line of well line needs professional attention.

Square Eye 06-20-2006 08:26 PM

Hey Manhattan!

Would that be kind of like having a hole in a straw? I hate that when I'm drinking and driving and I get down to a hole in a straw.

inspectorD 06-20-2006 08:38 PM

Woops...
 
Soda pop right Square Eye?:rolleyes:
I have also seen where the line that shoots the water down the well has a loose clamp which lets the air in. Look for a small leak in any lines as Manhattan stated.
What is all that staining on the wall in your picture?

tooltime 06-20-2006 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inspectorD
What is all that staining on the wall in your picture?

I'm guessing one of the lines coming from the well broke/leaked. I could ask the original owner and see how long ago it happened, but I know it has been a very long time.
The small rust stain fromt he first and second picture was fromteh clamps holdign the original wiring.. they kinda rusted away. I took pt 2x4 and ran new, heavier 10guage wiring, and secured to that rather than back to the bare masonry wall.

There is no leakign that I can find in the room from the well system, but I guess I could try and take the fitting with the hoses off the floor and peer down in there.

glennjanie 06-21-2006 06:30 PM

Hello ToolTime:
The pressure switch is usually in the electrical junction box on the side of the pump. Take the cover off and it will probably be a slotted screw right in the middle. It appears to be a Jet pump which pumps water down one line to force it up the other line and Goulds is a good brand that has been around all my life. I still say there is an air filled bladder in the storage tank; look in the center of the top of the tank (or center of the bottom). The other guys also have some good points that bear checking out. I hope one of us has been of some help.
Glenn

tooltime 06-26-2006 01:51 PM

Helllo all, it's been a couple days and things have gone from annoying to no water at all! The pump does not turn on what so ever. The pressure guage reads zero. The breaker is fine, and yes even the wall switch is on :)
I did try to test the pressure tank, there is soemthing that almost looks like an air fitting, but when I tried to press the seated abll on top, nothing would happen. I dont think it moved at all.
I do know where the junction box is, I ran some good wiring to it (10 guage) which is supposed to have less resistance=logner motor life on the pump. unfortunately, with the pump apparently seeming to be dead, it is pretty pointless for me to look/adjust the pressure screw.
I had called the company we got our Iron Filter through to pirice out a well pump... but they dont deal with any of that. They suggested I call a well service company. I have a well service fellow coming out tomorrow. Hope I don't get shafted on price :(

glennjanie 06-26-2006 06:09 PM

Well pumps
 
Hello Tooltime:
It appears your trouble all the time was the pump shutting off and restarting. I have used a jet pump in the past and didn't get very good service from it. It could pump from deeper depths, just with less pressure and volume. That is the trade off with jet pumps.
When the well service man comes out I would suggest checking on a new submersible pump with new pipe (it will also take some additional wire to reach the pump). I think you would be much happpier with the preformance.:D
Glenn


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