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Old 01-10-2014, 07:06 AM  
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Ya, no, the spay will freeze the river can freeze over but the water still runs.



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NEVER put hot water into a toilet. It can crack the porcelain. I saw this happen when a newbie plumbed the hot water line into a toilet ... CRACK.

Resign yourself to living without those devices until the weather warms. In the Spring, explore your house and solve the cold air issue so your pipe do not freeze every year.



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NEVER put hot water into a toilet. It can crack the porcelain. I saw this happen when a newbie plumbed the hot water line into a toilet ... CRACK.
Was the toilet at room temperature, so the change was from 72F to >120F in a short time?
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All water freezes at 32 f 0 c at sea level moving or not. When you leave water run the fact that it is running means its above 32f by volume of water in the pipe is increased with relationship to movement so the cold source is constantly cooling new water that’s at an elevated temp. Most wells will bring in heat from the earth in the water and be around 50f.

Lay out a mile of copper tubing outside when the temp is -10f and the incoming water is 50f and it will cool as its moving and at some point will cool to 32f and at that point the flow will stop. Running water can’t freeze because as soon as it does it’s no longer running.

Neal’s advice is good and will work in slowing down the freezing process. Long term Villa’s advice is the thing to do if you can.

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You could also probably rent some machine that pumps hot air into the wall through a small hole when you are at risk of freezing due to low outside temps.

Then the tradeoff becomes, How much is your occasional inconvenience worth?

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I grew up in a house with no insulation and no furnace, plumbing in outside wall. Heat on main floor was a wood stove light in the morning. water would freeze in basement. We never had frozen pipes and guess how we did that.

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I grew up in a house with no insulation and no furnace, plumbing in outside wall. Heat on main floor was a wood stove light in the morning. water would freeze in basement. We never had frozen pipes and guess how we did that.
Inside temp cancelled out outside temp enough so the pipe temp stayed above freezing?
Water was run often enough to get warmer water into the pipes from the city water or well?
What warm air there was in the house rose up from the basement?
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Well it sounds kind of rustic. My guess is you added moonshine to the well.

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All water freezes at 32 f 0 c at sea level moving or not. When you leave water run the fact that it is running means its above 32f by volume of water in the pipe is increased with relationship to movement so the cold source is constantly cooling new water that’s at an elevated temp. Most wells will bring in heat from the earth in the water and be around 50f.

Lay out a mile of copper tubing outside when the temp is -10f and the incoming water is 50f and it will cool as its moving and at some point will cool to 32f and at that point the flow will stop. Running water can’t freeze because as soon as it does it’s no longer running.

Neal’s advice is good and will work in slowing down the freezing process. Long term Villa’s advice is the thing to do if you can.
I doubt it.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01174.htm
and, maybe,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent


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