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wholeteam 04-03-2010 10:21 AM

Water Fill Valve
 
I replaced my water fill valve / hose about 45 days ago in the toilet, fairly simple process, but now intermittently the hose now pulses water through it every 1 second and continues until I shut the water off. The hose and valve seem fine, but just not sure why it makes that shhhh shhhhh shhhhh shhhh action. Anyone know where I start? Could the valve now be defective again?

Wuzzat? 04-03-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wholeteam (Post 43131)
the hose now pulses water through it every 1 second and continues until I shut the water off.

Try closing down the inlet valve so it barely passes water into the toilet and see if the symptom changes.

Nestor_Kelebay 04-03-2010 01:53 PM

Wholeteam:

I would simply clean the area around the rubber diaphragm in your fill valve, especially any "plug" you see that fits snugly into a hole. If it's a Fluidmaster fill valve, your rubber diaphragm just needs cleaning or replacement.

You see, the way toilet fill valves work is the same as the water fill valve on washing machines and dish washers. There is a rubber diaphragm inside the fill valve that has city water pressure acting on both sides of it. Since the area over which that pressure acts is larger on one side of the diphragm than the other, (And Force = Pressure X Area) there is a greater force pushing on the large area side than the small area side, and that net force in one direction is what keeps the rubber diaphragm tightly sealed over an opening that allows water to flow into the toilet tank.

When you flush the toilet, (or turn on your clothes washer or dish washer). a plug is pulled out of the large area side, releasing the pressure on that side and allowing the city water pressure acting on the small area side to push the diaphragm open and allow water to flow under it into the tank (or spin basket).

Most likely, all that has happened is that some dirt has gotten into the area around that plug and is allowing the water pressure on the large area side to gradually escape, so that the valve continuously opens and closes by itself. Or, the rubber around the plug may have been scratched by that dirt and so the whole rubber diaphragm needs to be replaced.

This method of controlling water flow is extremely reliable, which is why every toilet fill valve uses it. The difference between fill valves lies mostly in the mechanisms they use to move that plug on the large area side of the diaphragm. However it's strictly an ON/OFF control system, so it's not used in faucets where you need to vary the relative amounts of hot and cold water to get a comfortable temperature. It is used on clothes washers where your only options are hot, cold and warm. In that case only the hot solenoid, cold solenoid or both solenoids are energized.

Also, this kind of water control system is very susceptible to dirt. To work properly, you need a good seal on the small area side of the diaphragm and around that plug. Dirt getting into either of those two areas will affect the operation of the closure system.

Nestor_Kelebay 04-06-2010 04:36 PM

I own a small apartment block (21 units), and my experience over the past 20 years is that most of the problems experienced with toilet fill valves are attributable to dirt getting into the area of the rubber diaphragm of the fill valve, or a worn out rubber diphragm in the fill valve.

So, before you do anything else, shut off the water to the toilet, remove the rubber diaphragm from the fill valve, give that are a good cleaning and see if the fill valve works properly after cleaning. That's normally all that will be wrong with the toilet's fill valve.


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