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Old 05-11-2014, 09:12 AM  
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I have an Aquarius series control panel on my home water softener. It has worked just fine for the 2.5 years since I bought the house, but no longer. The timer works fine, but when it comes time to run the cycle at 2 am, everything comes to a sudden halt. Once it hits the 2 am mark it just sticks there and doesn't move. I've tried manually starting the cycle, but it still doesn't continue through the rest of the cycle, it just stays exactly where I turned it to before.

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Aquarius is probably not the actual brand of the softener head. If it is, I've never heard of it. There is in fact an Aquarius here locally. The name is the man's business name. It sounds like you have an Autotrol with a toothless gear. That was a common problem for the older timers. Can you take a picture of the head with the cover off and post it?

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Thanks for the reply! Does this help?
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That valve is a Fleck 5600 metered head. You set the meter according to your hardness and the water meter will tell it when to backwash. The big knob in the middle just right of the little red gear pushbutton; turn it clock wise. How hard was it to turn a complete 360°? It should turn freely. If it doesn't; the cylinder is probably scuffed up and the rubber cups are dragging. This will stall or strip the gears in the clock. That means it's time for a new one. The rebuild kit is only a temporary fix because of the damaged cylinder.

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Thanks for your help. When you say temporary, does that mean months or years? Also, it looks like the rebuild kit is about $60 and the full head replacement is $250. Would the full head replacement be the permanent fix or is the entire unit flawed?

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I wouldn't waste money on a rebuild kit. Did the dial turn hard? If so, get a new head. I sell heads by the way.

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I wouldn't waste money on a rebuild kit. Did the dial turn hard? If so, get a new head. I sell heads by the way.

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Well, It depends on what yer gonna get and Location, availability.But about 2-250. Just get one online. Those units are cheap plastic, and for what they do, by keeping your water clean. I would get another timer head.

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Believe it or not, my cost on a Fleck 5600 metered head without the cover is $212.00. I see these guys selling them for $250.00 on line. I wouldn't go to the trouble of packaging one, shipping it (they advertise free shipping) insuring it and offering a money back guarantee for that little bit of profit. It wouldn't be worth my time. I have a guy locally selling pool equipment for about 2% over his cost. He buys the stuff for the same price I do from a local distributor. WHY???

I sold the Fleck 5600 because I liked their meter. It wasn't electronic, it was mechanical and it held up where here with all the lightning we have, the electronic heads were always at risk. For my money, I would go with a Clack head. They are probably the best one out there these days. Everything Pentair gets their hands on, changes for the worst. Like Fleck and Autotrol.
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Thanks for your help. When you say temporary, does that mean months or years? Also, it looks like the rebuild kit is about $60 and the full head replacement is $250. Would the full head replacement be the permanent fix or is the entire unit flawed?
Choices are
new softener vs full head replace vs rebuild kit
with a new softener most likely to solve the problem but it is the most costly solution.

What probability, P, from almost 0 to almost 1, would each have to have for this decision to be a toss-up as far as cost?
The three likelihoods have to add to 1.0.

In order,
new softener vs full head replace vs rebuild kit
is ranked from most likely to fix to least likely to fix. Let's say the prices of these options are $600, $250 and $60, respectively.

Let P be the likelihood you waste your money on something that doesn't work and I give the first choice a P value of 0.05. Almost certainly a new softener will fix the problem for a long time.

Formulas are great but spreadsheets provide a sanity check. Here's mine.

Option \/ P(not working) Part cost \/ likely cost \/ P(working)
new soft 0.05 .....................$600.............. $30 0.95
full head 0.12 .....................$250.............. $30 0.88
rebuild 0.88 .....................$60................$53 0.12

new soft 0.05..................... $600.............. $30 0.95
full head 0.195..................... $250..............$49 0.805
rebuild 0.805..................... $60.............. $48 0.195

new soft 0.05 .....................$600................ $30 0.95
full head 0.5..................... $250............... $125 0.5
rebuild 0.5..................... $60................. $30 0.5


In the first, a full head is a good option providing it has at least a 0.88 chance of working.
In the second, with those probabilities, a new softener is the choice.
In the third, a rebuild kit is the choice if it has at least a 0.5 chance of working.

Forum members can provide probabilities based on experience (which I don't have). Then it's just number crunching.


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