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bigcountry 02-19-2009 07:56 AM

My brother did a reroof w/out permitting??? What now...
 
Well, my brother has a problem, and Im trying to give him some advice so all comments are welcomed, and thanks in advance for your input...He lives in a rural country area, where everyone has 3-acres or better, so not in plain site...and he wasn't aware of the fact that you have to have a permit pulled and certain things done as far as improvement to meet code...He had a good friend come out and help him install it, they did not do the extra nail off, and did not seam seal the butt joints with a peal and stick(I think thats what they require), they basically tore off the old roof, replaced one piece of sheating, and went back with a 30-lb felt and Owens Corning Arch-30yr shingles. this was several months ago, and we got to talking about it and I found out he had not pulled any permit etc, so he is worried now that I brought that up to him, and has no clue how to approach the issue...He obviously doesnt want to tear off his brand new shingles, I guess Im just trying to give him some advice as to what to do, any suggestions? What would the building official do or rather make him do if he let them know what happened? I mean the roof looks great and has been fine through some rough weather in the little bit of time its been on there, Im sure it will hold up, it seemed to have held up nicely before through the hurricanes with the old 20yr old standard 3-tabs...Oh and he lives in FL...Any help or advice is appreciated...

woodchuck 02-19-2009 11:34 AM

Of course you don't live in Alabama but we don't need a permit to replace roofing. I would call the appropriate people and ask them about it anonymously.

tinner666 02-19-2009 12:54 PM

"they did not do the extra nail off, and did not seam seal the butt joints with a peal and stick(I think thats what they require), "

Are you talking about the plywood?
Florida is anal about glueing thngs down, as opposed to roofing anything. They are interested in having the plywood keep the water out, not the roof material. Did he nail the roof on to withstand the 110mph winds? Or for 45 mph winds? Those directions are on the wrapper.

bigcountry 02-19-2009 01:31 PM

Ill have to ask him, but I think he left the old nailing on the sheathing and did not add anymore to it, but they looked it over good supposedly making sure of no leak damage...And as far as the shingles go, Im pretty sure they used the proper nailing that was called for to hold the shingles down...And Id imagine that to be the 110mph pattern...The thing he is worried about is he didnt do any of the extra requirements underneath the felt...Im assuming he wont report it, and just let it ride since its done and over with, if for whatever reason the building officials did find out though is his concern, what do they do about it?

kok328 02-19-2009 07:43 PM

If your going to be keeping the home, I'd do nothing.
If your looking to sell the home in the near future, you might want to suck it up and confess to the local inspector for further instruction.
If their having a good day, you'll most likely have to bring it up to code, pay the permit fee and a fine.
If their having a bad day, you'll have to tear it all off, pull a permit and start over.

inspectorD 02-20-2009 06:24 AM

Hmm
 
Well, in todays economy, they really can't do much. They can tell you to take it off, but if you do not have the money, you don't have the money. They are not going to make you remove an entire roof if you cannot put another back on. They may tell you how to improve it, but the bottom line is they have to give you a permit to fix the roof, they just do not have to sign off on it until it is up to code. What this creates are issues with your homeowners insurance or resale should you get that bad storm.

Have your brother talk to some of the local roofing contractors as to what he should do if he does not contact the building official. There may be some alternatives for his area we are not familiar with.
Good luck and let us know so we can help the next person.

jdougn 02-20-2009 07:23 AM

Just call the local building inspectors office and ask them what is required to PREPARE for reroofing a house. (Not that you've already done your job.) No permits are required for re-roofing around here.
hth, Doug

no_tropics 04-18-2009 01:35 PM

definately call florida inspection & find out what is required.
[you said he was in Florida]
If your brother needs to buy home owners insurance in future(in FL), or if he gets dropped from the company he's with and has to go buy home owners insurance,they will require a home inspection.(4 points usually)
That inspector comes out and checks that your electrical to make sure it is up to current code, they check your central AC, they get up and check your roof, and something else, I forget the 4th item.
If your roof is not per code, then you won't pass inspection, and you can't get insurance until you do.
Additionally, looking at the worst case scenario, if there's a hurricane, and part of the roof gets damaged. The claims adjustor will notice the roof was recently repaired: he will be able to determine what damages are expected & what would be considered not the norm if the roof was done per code. or he;ll see work was done recently, and assume you had a permit, and tell you to have roofer fix badly done roof work. [I had part of the roof repaired, no permit, when a hurricane hit, the adjustor said to contact roofer since roofs are usually gauranteed for 10-20 years.]
[i.e. it could screw up your claim]
It's not like that in other states, but in FL doing repairs without permits can ultimately screw you up as far as your home/wind insurance & claims after hurricanes.
I don't know what county your brother is in, but in Miami Dade, you can only do a repair without a permit if the roof repair is less than 25% of the total square footage of the roof.
(and you can only do that repair of 25% of the roof without a permit, ONCE.)
[i.e. you can't repair 25% of the roof without permit, then 6 months later repair a different 25% of the roof, and so on.]

Even with that rule, you are required to do it to code, so call & find out what it is.

My insurance company actually pulled the home records to find out what permits were pulled for my home, that was before they started requiring inspections. (whatever is on record)
If there's nothing on record showing the roof was repaired/replaced in the last 30 years, they're going to assume your roof is that old, since there's nothing on file showing a permit pulled to do the roof.

They get you coming and going in Fl.

Florida insurance (home & wind) is a real b**** in Florida and doing repairs yourself, can really screw you up with that.

Tom Witcomb 04-19-2009 08:00 AM

I would do nothing till or if he gets caught. Permit fines would be the same. If he used 6 nails per single and they were long enough..no problem. Just make sure he mudded the edge of the first row at the drip edge.
In my experience most home inspectors for insurance just check the life of the roof. Unless it looks like an idiot reroofed it.!!

Just my 2 cents.:confused:

Tom


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