my garage roof.......yikes

SS66 · 08-07-2009, 04:48 PM

Old dog,

Thanks for the reply. If the discoloration in the insulation is mainly due to dust from the removal of wood shingles and composite. I got up in the attic and cleaned up quite a bite of the larger pieces of shingle debre etc.

Regarding the facia board. I discussed that also with the contractor. He said his guys would have never noticed that pulling away unless if they had the guttering down. I did mention to him that I couldn't understand why a builder would have a 2x6 running the length behind the faica board. He said that was incorrect but he did not have an answer to that.

He was and said to the end he really did not see the sagging concerns I was trying to point out. He also thought the bowed facia board was nothing I should worry about. As mentioned in the earlier post he felt the roof was correct and anything beyond that was not his crews responsiblity. Still a little bewildered on his final thoughts.

SS66 · 08-07-2009, 05:57 PM

anyone.....anyone..... anyone.....buehler.....buehler?

oldog/newtrick · 08-07-2009, 07:30 PM

S.S. I meant to get back to you before but the misses said we had to do our weekly dine out routine, and well she trumps the INTERNET, so...

When I read the response of your roofer about the responsibility to relay structural problems, well my head exploded! What on this green earth does he think is his responsibility? He has a fiducial responsibility to inform you of any problems that may be uncovered. Which means that if he covers up a known issue he is an accessory to this problem. I cannot imagine that a roofing contractor would just simply say that it wasn't in their scope of work to report a known issue. Once again(insert head explosion).

Also, part of a roof installation is to install all the components of a roof system. Shingle MFG require this to warrant their products. By not providing you with a functioning roof vent system he has compromised your material warranty, simply..you do not have a material warranty. This is not a suggestion but a requirement. I am really sorry that he has responded in this manner, but there are a lot of qualified, reputable roofing contractors that are interested in providing a installation that is of the highest standards.

I would once again suggest hiring a structural engineer and get their opinion of what needs to be corrected. This will be money well spent on your part and give you a leg to stand on if they have a course of action to repair and what liability your roofing installer should bear.

oldog/newtrick · 08-07-2009, 07:34 PM

Also, if they couldn't see the fascia pulling away when they were redecking and installaing the new roof, then they surely couldn't see the ladder to climb up on the roof.... seeeze.......plus they over hung the decking past the fascia, sloppy work.

OK rant off.

SS66 · 08-07-2009, 08:33 PM

Old Dog New Trick

Thanks for your insite to my pictures and thread. I am going to discuss this with someone in the engineering expertise and background as you have mentioned. I again I am willing and want to keep an open line of communication with the contractor owner and be reasonable with my questions and concerns. A couple of the pics got skewed on the load and would be a real head turner to any home owner that would be in our current position. If you intereted I can resend them if you want to see them clearly. My email is albbies1@sbcglobal.net.

I have contacted US Inspect Services and the contractor to date. US Inspect wants to discuss it further on Monday. Right now I am working the roofing issues and will continue to mover forward in the repainting of our home. Hopefully we will all come to and understanding and agreement on how to move forward and correct this problem.

Chevelle Guy

SS66 · 08-14-2009, 09:54 AM

Update,

I have had a framing contractor come to our house to review the north side of the garage. He has stated the correct way to address the problem is to remove the new shingles and decking to open up the roof. His approach and fix for the problems is to remove any rafters in question or sistered due to cracks. Currently 2 are cracked and sistered. He also stated the middle section of the sofit on the north side is not attached to all the rafters. He said this is why the facia board bows outwards causing the guttering to lean away from the house. He also wondered why the Inspector etc. had not noticed the garage roof was not properly ventilated in the sofit areas. I just recieved the estimate which is around 3900.00 dollars.

I have also had the roofing company out that did the work 4.5 years earlier. They said anything wrong with the roof was and any framing issues noticed or unnoticed is not under their relm of responsibilities etc. I asked if they should or could not have seen this when stripping and redecking the roof. He said again that it is not his workers responsibility to check or inspect the structure. He said we have paid for a roof replacement and that is what they provided. My contention with him was I still believe this must have been noticed by them when putting down the decking. Bottom line from roofing company is, "Not their responsiblilty.

Also, When We bought the house we contracted for a fee US Inspect for the property inspection in which they inspected and passed the roof and reframing support of the ridge line. First, They said I replaced the roof without their ability to inspect. I told them 4 contractors stated and explained why the roof was bad. US Inspect said we don't really know the condition of the roof and many roofers are out to make money. Secondly, How do we know that the framing work has changed or worsened since the original inspection? I told them nothing has changed except for the new roof. US Inspect then said again, " We were never given the opportunity to inpsect that so called bad roof. So basically my 250.00 inspection will eventually cost our family between 10,000 to 11,000 dollars.

I assured US Inspect I will use my resources available to notify friends, and others in the business of buying and selling homes not to use US Inspect..... period! I have family member that purchased over 100 homes in the past 1.5 years. I assured US Inspect that I will get my dollars back over time and then some with my new found energy they provided. They did not seem to concerned because of the overall population in the US. I told them as long as I know my family members and friends will not ever use US Inspect I will find some satisfaction in knowing other Inspection services had been used.

Anyway, I have another framing contractor looking at the roof this coming Monday. If I had not have hit a bump in the road of life regarding my health this past year I would have gladly tackled this project myself. But sometimes you got to play the cards that were dealt and so be it. Anyway, just an update to my garage roof to share. Old Dog new trick I will drop you a pic of my 66 etc.

Cheers
Chevelle Guy

oldog/newtrick · 08-14-2009, 07:33 PM

Maybe InspectorD can help me out here but doesn't a home inspection usually include photos to document the inspection?

inspectorD · 08-15-2009, 07:27 AM

Usually, but from here, my lawyer siut is at the cleaners trying to get out the stains.

Since I am an inspector myself, of course my opinion will be evaluated as "on their side". Guess it goes with the territory.
But as much as I do not like it...they have a point. When you get an inspection, it is usually only good for a year, but that also depends on your state laws. The problems you found should have called for an engineer to look at the issue. So in this case that may have been at fault for not recommending further evaluation. Don't get me started on larger inspection Companies, They have Lawyers.
But when you have work done to the home, the next professional owns it. The roofer is the next professional. If there is an issue with structure or cracked rafters, they need to look at it. If they are going to add new weight to a roof and change what is there, they need to be sure it is able to handle the changes. They are not only responsible for the roof, but what it is attached to. This is why real professionals are so expensive....experience. Where was the building official?
These are points that need to looked at by your lawyer and another professional Home inspector or expert. If that is the route you choose, make sure you have documentation of everything as it progressed.

I hate lawsuits, however I also do not like shoddy work from professionals.

SS66 · 08-28-2009, 01:05 PM

Update,

Thanks for everyone input and comments. At this point I have discussed the matter with US Inspect and the roofer. As mentioned previously neither party feels they have any responsibilty in the framing or roofs current condition.

I have two bids for correcting and repairing the North side of the garage. They range from 4000 to 5000 dollars requiring the roof to be stripped down to the rafters on the N side. Each bid includes rafter replacement and sofit rebuild with new decking and shingles. I had been advised I could most likely have a case against the parties. But it also means how much do you want to spend in legal fees. Meaning it might be cheaper just to fix the roof and move on.

Right now we are painting the house and it has our current attention to get it completed before the cold weather sets in. The gutter is still off the house on the N side of the garage which concerns me a bit. Looks as though the water is not getting in the sofit or under the shingles. We are going to do something to correct the problem as soon as we are finished with the exterior painting. Again, just a where we are in the situation.

Thanks
Chevelle Guy

oldog/newtrick · 11-17-2009, 05:18 PM

Chevelle Guy, any update?