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scarymary 04-13-2010 11:09 PM

Hi from Tennessee
Well, I am here to possibly get some expert advice on a project my husband and I have to decided to take on. We bought a home that was built in the late 60s, early 70s. It is your typical ranch variety style home; brick, three bedrooms, one bath. The project we are working on at the moment is a carport that was converted into a living room. Apparently the living room was small when the house was built, and I believe that now the former living room area is part of the kitchen. The present living room is about 12x17 and was covered in that dreary old dark paneling until one day I decided I would mud the grooves of the paneling and paint over it. That was a terrible mistake. I had dry compound residue from all the sanding all over the place. The room was also carpeted. Having several animals, carpet is not something I am fond of. So that has to go as well. So here is the deal.........we have begun demo on the room only to discover that there is brick on two adjacent walls. The paneling was attached to furring strips attached to the exterior brick of the home. I have pictures and will post them. I'm sure you will understand what I mean once you see the pictures. Our intent is to hang drywall around the entire room. I suppose my first obvious question is would it be wise to attempt to hang drywall on the furring strips? Some of them appear to twisted. They also weren't screwed into the brick, but nailed, I assume with concrete nails. Without going into too much more detail in my initial post, I would really like to know how someone experienced in this sort of situation would approach this. Right now I am at a loss. I really don't want to post the pictures here and use up valuable space, so I will provide a link to my snapfish page with the pictures I have taken thus far. I hope someone will be brave enough to give me their honest opinion on this.

oldognewtrick 04-14-2010 03:32 AM

Mary, welcome to House Repair Talk. The link you provided doesn't work. Try posting it again.

scarymary 04-14-2010 07:58 AM

Here is another link......hopefully this one will work. I will try it myself to see.

Sorry the link doesn't work.

oldognewtrick 04-14-2010 02:45 PM

Mary, the link doesn't work. Posts containing pictures or links have to be approved by moderators from new members. This helps cut down on spam, porn and bad language. Sad but this is a problem, even on a home improvement site like ours. If you have a pic in your computer you can upload it to a message, scroll down on the post page and look for attachment, select the photo you want and upload it. That way you don't have to try and deal with other sites.

Glad to see someone else from the Volunteer State.

scarymary 04-14-2010 09:04 PM

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OK, I have the pics on my computer. I can start an album here and you can look at them there. That way I won't have put any pics in the thread. But I will post one here so you can see what I'm talking about. Glad to see someone from Tennessee is answering my posts. Thanks a bunch.

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scarymary 04-14-2010 09:25 PM

After doing some extensive research, I believe I know the proper way to approach this monstrous job. Perhaps someone can correct me if there is a better way, but this is what I found on another website.


Stick Build Framing

To stick build walls, first nail a top plate perpendicular to the floor joists. Next, secure a bottom plate to the concrete floor using concrete nails and an adhesive such as Liquid Nails. Make sure you use pressure treated lumber on the bottom plate as it is in contact with the concrete and will wick moisture over time. The top and bottom plates should be parallel to each other. Use a plumb line to ensure they are parallel. Finally install 2’x4" studs every 16" along the plates. Make sure you measure for each stud prior to cutting, as the floor to ceiling distances will vary.
Basement Walls



Address all moisture and leaking issues first. Once the wall is finished, it becomes difficult to repair water problems.
Step 2

Design the wall layout so the joists in the ceiling line up as closely as possible with your new wall studs. In some cases, there will already be support beams in these areas, installed during the original home construction. If you are building a new home, you will still frame the basement walls after your ground floor joists are in place.
Step 3

Measure and pop chalk lines on the floor where the walls will lie. Cut and install 2-inch-by-4-inch treated lumber for the floor plates (also known as sill plates). Any time wood comes into contact with concrete, use treated lumber to reduce the risk of moisture damage. Bolt the bottom plates into place by predrilling through the wood and concrete with a concrete drill bit and hammer drill. Then install Tapcons (concrete screws) every 12 inches.
Step 4

Install the ceiling plates directly above the floor plates. This time you can use regular 2-inch-by-4-inch lumber. Use framing nails to attach the plates to the underside of the ground floor joists. A laser level is handy at this point to determine the exact spot to install your ceiling plates, but a simple plumb bob will suffice: Hold the top end of a string with the plumb bob nearly touching the edge of the floor plate below as a reference.
Step 5

Set your wall studs 16 inches on center, using the studs in the floor joists as a guide, if possible. The reason for lining up the studs is to provide easy access for future plumbing, venting and wiring to pass through the stud space from one floor to the next with a minimum of cutting and drilling.
Step 6

Measure each stud before you cut it. This is the biggest difference between framing an above-grade wall and a basement wall. Since the concrete floor will likely have slight variations in level, you must measure and cut each stud individually. Use a framing nail gun or a hammer and nails to attach the top and bottom of the studs to the ceiling plates and the floor plates. Insert nails at a 45-degree angle through the stud and into the floor or ceiling plate. This is known as "toe-nailing." You should use three nails at every point you attach the stud, two from one side and one from the other.
Step 7

Maintain a minimum of a 1/2 inch between your new framed walls and the concrete walls in the basement. Because there is always a chance of moisture forming on the inside of the concrete, the wood must stay a safe distance away. In addition, with the studs connected to both the floor plate and the ceiling plate, there is no need to attach them to the concrete wall.
How to Frame Basement Walls |

Does this not sound logical to anyone but me? I don't believe that my husband and I would be able to do this by simply laying the lumber on the floor and building it, then raising the wall because I don't believe there is enough room to do so. After I read this, it made perfect sense to me. The only thing that might be an issue as far as I can tell is how to make sure that both plates are plumb and flush with one another.
Am I wrong or would this be the proper way to approach this task?

TxBuilder 04-15-2010 10:40 AM

Welcome to the both of you!

Bud Cline 04-18-2010 02:33 PM


The only thing that might be an issue as far as I can tell is how to make sure that both plates are plumb and flush with one another.
You would be way ahead if you were to build the walls on the floor then lay them up in a single unit. Construct the units 3/4" short of your top to bottom measurement so they will lay up and clear the floor joists above. Then, use shims to drive between the top plate and the floor joist before nailing the unit in place at each joist. This way you won't have to plumb the plates and you can easily adjust for existing errors that you will miss otherwise.:)

scarymary 04-18-2010 03:02 PM

I don't believe we have the necessary space to be able to construct, then raise the wall. The ceilings are 10 ft high. I also believe we are going to run into another problem, and that would be with those what I am assuming are headers at the top of three of the walls. You can see the foam green paint on them at the top of the walls. We want to hang drywall around the entire room. How do we adjust for those headers having an overhang from the rest of the wall?

Bud Cline 04-18-2010 03:40 PM

I'm lost!:)

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