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johnnymnemonic 11-13-2011 06:59 PM

Cleaning question
When renovating a condo and cleaning up debris, is the contractor obligated to clean the debris gathered on the ceiling of the apartment below?

oldognewtrick 11-13-2011 09:43 PM

When hiring a contractor there should be a defined scope of work that outlines who is responsible and what is to be expected, including everything from payment to materials used. If you are not satisfied with the performance of your contractor, fire him and manage the job yourself. From other posts , there seems to be a level of mistrust and miscommunication. The conversation should be between the contractor and you, you are the boss, you are paying the bills, your expectations are the ones that should be meet..if they are realistic. These are things that should be talked about before the project begins, not during.

I understand your concerns about dust, cleaning up of debris, inspections and the stress of renovation. Communication is the single biggest factor to making a renovation run as smooth as possible.

johnnymnemonic 11-14-2011 05:58 AM

Maybe I should fire the contractor. Then again, that is bound to cost more time and money. Were those unlimited, I would probably fire the contractor and hire the most expensive one.

Straight from the contract:


Special Clauses
Because an infant will live on the premises post renovation, the entire unit must be free, upon completion, of lead, asbestos, and other hazardous particles, per current accept living and health standards. This includes particles that may enter the apartment from its floor or ceiling with the passing of time. To the extent hazardous materials exist that may become airborne and cannot be removed or contained per the generally accepted standards, the Owner must be notified in advance and allowed to attempt removal or containment using third parties. If any hazardous particles are deemed containable but not removable, the Owner must be notified in advance and allowed to attempt the removal option. Delays caused by such reasonable attempts at removal or containment shall not result in additional costs from the Contractor. The cost of the Work shall be reduced accordingly as indicated in Paragraph 6b.
Now, is the contractor supposed to clean that debris, some or all of which would have been produced during his demolition?

inspectorD 11-14-2011 06:01 PM

It's easy...just tell cleaney no checky.

Realistically the guy is a bum. If you keep your customer happy with the little things like ..well, vacumming. You have a potential repeat customer.

Take the high road, and start over. Work with him to create a line of communication, be fair, but stearn. And remind them nobody wins but the lawyers if it goes to court....because you will hold out on the check.

Good luck,:)

SnellExperts 11-14-2011 07:33 PM

I always figured that the clean up should be sufficient enough that you can't tell that they were there other than of course the repairs and what not. At least that's always been my mentality. Do you have a picture to share or you have already cleaned it up?

johnnymnemonic 11-15-2011 04:16 AM

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Here are a few pictures I took two weeks ago. To me, they show debris + dead animal right underneath the insulation. To be fair, the picture is taken at the edge of the insulation, in an opening, so some of it could still be removed. I kind of doubt it, though, given the general speed of the work.

johnnymnemonic 11-15-2011 04:24 AM

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More pictures from that time are attached. These suggest general cleanliness, which means that after my pictures were taken there was likely no more cleaning done, hence the dead rat would still be there.

SnellExperts 11-17-2011 08:29 AM

While it may be frustrating, I personally wouldn't see the dead animal as the contractor's responsibility. That was something that happened unrelated to their work, and out of their control. I wouldn't hold that against them because its not really their place to clean up stuff like that because its not "their mess." The first set of pictures showed what looked like a lot of saw dust and stuff, but it was in a crawl space from what I could tell. They probably should have cleaned it a little better than they did, but looks like an area that normally doesn't get any traffic, so even though they probably should have cleaned, I can see where they may have thought it wasn't that pressing because it wasn't exposed to the general public. Hope I am making sense and not just rambling.

houblon 11-22-2011 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by SnellExperts (Post 63896)
The first set of pictures showed what looked like a lot of saw dust and stuff, but it was in a crawl space from what I could tell..

This is not a crawl space, it looks like a lath and plaster ceiling, Some of the keys are still in place, but the plaster has been removed and probably replaced with sheet rock.

What I don;t understand is the insulation. It looks like he put a very thin layer on top below the floor. How is it supposed to hold there? It is already sagging. Why did he not put the full R19 (that's 10 in?) in? Air circulation?

johnnymnemonic 11-23-2011 05:46 AM

its r 19
its R19..............

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