DIY Home Improvement, Remodeling & Repair Forum > DIY Home Improvement > General Home Improvement Discussion > Making a whirlpool tub into a shower




Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 02-09-2011, 01:13 PM  
LISAinTN
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 20
Default Making a whirlpool tub into a shower

Hello All,

I have a question about a whirlpool tub. We are building a new home and I would like to get this whirlpool tub.

KOHLER: K-856-M: Tea-for-Two® 5.5' whirlpool: Whirlpools & Air Baths: Spa Products: Bathroom

It does not have an integrated tile flange. Kohler recommends using this vinyl tiling in bead for tiling around the alcove to make the whirlpool into a shower as well:

KOHLER: K-1179: Vinyl tiling-in bead:

Here's my problem: The plumber and tile guy say they won't guarantee it won't leak. I wish I could find a tub like the one I want with an integrated flange, but I can't. I have two auto-immune disorders, one being a pain disorder, plus arthritis in my neck and shoulders. I need the therapy that this tubs massage system can provide or there's really no sense in me getting a whirlpool. Anyway, I want this tub, but I don't want to be foolish and put something in that may cause major problems down the line in our new house.

I just wanted to know if anyone here has every made a whirlpool tub without an integrated flange into a shower and how it went for you. Or any other suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome. My builder wanted me to have a tub picked out a week ago and this is just not going well. lol Thanks so much.

Lisa



__________________
LISAinTN is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-09-2011, 03:04 PM  
Jaz
Ceramic Tile Pro
 
Jaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 75
Liked 13 Times on 10 Posts

Default

Hi Lisa,

Sorry about your health issues.

That tub will not work as a shower base. You'd have to depend solely on a bead of silicone to make it waterproof. One little crack and it's leaking underneath where you won't see the damage for a long time.

Most people think that putting tiles on a surface and a bead of chalk makes the installation waterproof, no way!.

Would you like to offer how the other bath walls are being built? Especially the shower. I only ask because most showers are built wrong, even by good builders and some tile setters alike. Good time to avoid future problems.

Jaz



__________________

Tile 4 You LLC
Troy, Michigan
www.tile4you.com

I've NEVER made a mistake....I thought I did once....but I was WRONG!

Jaz is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-09-2011, 04:22 PM  
LISAinTN
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 20
Default

Hi Jaz,

Thank you for your reply. You confirmed what my husband and I thought, but I just wanted the tub so bad I thought I'd ask in case there was a way to do it. We won't take the chance.

As for the wall in the tub/shower, I'm not exactly sure, but I think they're putting down some kind of concrete board on the wall and I think a rubber mat over that and then tile. Something along those lines. Do you recommend something specific? Thank you.

Lisa

__________________
LISAinTN is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-09-2011, 05:12 PM  
Jaz
Ceramic Tile Pro
 
Jaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 75
Liked 13 Times on 10 Posts

Default

Lisa,

A tub/shower is pretty straight forward, (unlike a stall shower which most DIY"ers shouldn't attempt unless they are very handy and have lots of time).

There are many brands of cement backer units (CBU), they will all work fine IF used as directed. Couple different methods depending on the CBU and if or which waterproofing method you use. You can apply a membrane on the studs, then apply the CBU and then the tiles using a thin set mortar. Real 'thin set' mortar comes ONLY in a bag, so it's powder mixed as you go.

Another method, (and I believe it's much better), is to apply the CBU on the studs skipping the membrane, but applying the membrane on the CBU instead. It's a different type of membrane of course, and it waterproofs the surface that way the CBU never gets wet. These membranes come in the form of a thick liquid such as Redgard, Hydroban or in sheet form such as Kerdi.

The liquid ones will work fine if applied to the right film thickness following all directions. Often though they are not applied correctly.

Quote:
but I think they're putting down some kind of concrete board on the wall and I think a rubber mat over that
By 'down' did you mean to say 'up' like on the wall? How about the floor?

Jaz
__________________

Tile 4 You LLC
Troy, Michigan
www.tile4you.com

I've NEVER made a mistake....I thought I did once....but I was WRONG!

Jaz is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-09-2011, 05:29 PM  
LISAinTN
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 20
Default

Yep, I meant up, not down. I'm not sure what they're doing to the floor. They are putting a tiled shower stall downstairs. Thank you for all your information.

Lisa

__________________
LISAinTN is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-09-2011, 05:42 PM  
inspectorD
Housebroken
HRT_MODERATOR.png
 
inspectorD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Litchfield, CT
Posts: 3,986
Liked 103 Times on 88 Posts
Likes Given: 226

Default Yup

Howdy,

Jaz is right on with the questions he is asking.
The issue with the tub you want, is when it gets filled with water, it usually sags and creates a void in the seal at the tub wall connection. The flange allows it to move up and down.. Any pinhole leak will cause issues.

As for the applied membranes to the CBU, go for it. This so far is the best way to ward off issues down the road. Only thing is, they create another vapor barrier on any outside walls. So if you are building up against the outside wall ,you will want to remove any plastic over the insulation stapled to the framming or any paper attached to any insulation.
Sounds like a fun project.

__________________

Just My
Made in the

inspectorD is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-09-2011, 06:02 PM  
Jaz
Ceramic Tile Pro
 
Jaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 75
Liked 13 Times on 10 Posts

Default

Lisa,

You need to do some research, but most of all you need to find out exactly how the work is going to be done, and with what, especially the shower. The critical part of the shower is bottom part, from about the curb down.

Ask questions, go watch their work at another home in progress. We see over 95% of all the showers built wrong. It's not gonna ruin your home with the first use, but in time they may leak or become stagnant or worse. Mold, mildew, efflorescence are common after a short time.

If you discover the right way, you can save yourself $4-6k min. 5-10 years from now.

Jaz

__________________

Tile 4 You LLC
Troy, Michigan
www.tile4you.com

I've NEVER made a mistake....I thought I did once....but I was WRONG!

Jaz is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-06-2013, 09:43 PM  
Mark_41
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1
Default

Hi.... I am having the same problem/question that Lisa did above... only thing is I don't want to give up looking for an answer yet.. Is there anyway I could possibly make a flange and cement it onto the tub..... Like use a plastic "L" shaped plastic corner piece or something? I have on my current shower a flange that was cemented on to hold a large splash guard in the front of the tub.... so.. use something like that only make it for the back wall and sides.

__________________
Mark_41 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-07-2013, 05:32 PM  
nealtw
Contractor
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: vancouver, b.c.
Posts: 9,414
Liked 744 Times on 664 Posts
Likes Given: 1297

Default

We can order tubs with this kind of kit installed, but I don't know how well the work.
http://www.showroom411.com/AskRick/Question/choices-tub-surrounds/103



__________________
nealtw is offline  
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter DIY Home Repair Forum Replies Last Post
improper whirlpool tub install rowdy48 Plumbing Forum 1 03-04-2010 06:45 PM
Whirlpool MH7130XEZ2 ssruindia General Appliance Discussion 1 01-13-2008 10:36 AM
Wondering about whirlpool tubs.... whirlpool_wonderer General Home Improvement Discussion 2 04-17-2007 07:16 PM
Whirlpool Drier Doesn't PAULYBOY General Appliance Discussion 3 01-29-2007 01:14 PM
Whirlpool Duet Washer carbonater55 General Appliance Discussion 1 01-26-2007 06:34 AM