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Jungle 10-04-2013 02:25 PM

Weird land survey
You might remember my other thread about property lines. I decieded to get a survey done as to settle the matter with the neighbour. I called around a few places, i was thinking to avoid the 'in town' surveyors, i called one place and they recommended the 'in town' place.
They said it would be about 3 hours @ 150$ so i'm think $500 is okay. I don't hear from them for a while so they say they are trying to fit me in. Then one day some truck is out front, i don't notice much but them eating lunch. I did ask them to let me know when they come. About an hour later i hear the guys yells something or other and i realize they are the surveyors. From what i could tell they weren't doing much.
After 3 hours of them looking busy they finally put the stakes in, i was shocked to see it was worse than i had imagined, they are giving them 1 foot around their shed! Then he says something about squatting rights and last property to register. He says they have 54', 4' extra by the deed, which is what i thought. Then he says but them have right of use or something. Then i explain how the other owner used their driveway to get to the back of the house to park, due to the big tree in the way of the drive way.
Then he says they have to check with the office and i should not build a fence or anything based on the stakes. So a few weeks go by and i email them and send them the maps i have from the They finally email me again saying not to build a fence. Then i notice the stakes are gone.
Now about 3 weeks later i get an email form them saying i own 950$ and they will send me the full report when they get payment. WTF?
I don't feel like paying for this crap survey. I just ask them a simple question if the neighbours shed was over the line. Why do they become the court, lawyers and jury? I wonder if they will put a lean on the house? Is their some way to fight them? I never signed any contract agreement. I have no idea what they are charging me for, a survey of the line based on squatting? The previous owner used their driveway to access the back so the space should be 50/50

nealtw 10-04-2013 06:07 PM

I would go talk to the head guy in their office about the bill. As far as the other stuff, they are not the final word, that would still be up to the courts but they will give their best advice if they can.
Did they put in steel stakes?

Jungle 10-05-2013 12:04 PM

They put the stakes in when did the survey, then a week later they took them out. When he put them in said, don't put the fence up until the surveyor in the office checks everything. Strange, like i said. The guy was saying things like, 'well you just flipping the house? You go back to Toronto today?" etc.' you want to get along with your neighbours...' which i thought was weird.
Basically i think it is a good old boys club and it was a big mistake to hiring someone locally. They are just like every other company i have dealt with up here, childish scammers who think it is open season from people from TO.
I should have just put the fence up and let them take me to court, which they wouldn't do since they are cheap and broke people.
The emailed he sent with the invoice and he said once i sent payment they would give me the full report, and i guess put the stakes back in. I don't think they will change the stakes any further, if they put the stakes on the deed line, sure i would be happy to pay.

It is a complete waste of time and money because they just put it where anyone would guess the line is. What are they doing for 3.5 hours, two guys? Just wasting time. I can understand if they put it on the deed line but this is just sort of what they think it should be. They could have just told me, hey they have squatting rights for the shed and charged me one hour would be fair.

Like i said Stan used THEIR driveway for years to access the back, i just don't understand how i can lose the driveway now, there is only 8 ft left for anyone to drive a car back there which isn't enough.

I think i am just going to ignore it and put up a metal fence, so the neibs don't destroy it. If they keep on trying to bill me i will report them to BBB and open a complain. Since i have no survey and stakes, how can they bill me? Also no signed contract of service.

nealtw 10-05-2013 12:56 PM

I found this and it seams to disagree with your guys, unless there is an easement. Likely your neigbours removed the pins, did they pin all four corners of your lot?

Jungle 10-06-2013 11:22 AM

That is interesting, sounds like with the electronic titles the squator right end too.

The holes are still fresh, so nobody stamped them out, i put stick in the hole, it's still there. It's the exact same place i put the temp fence. I guess i have will have to call this surveyor see what he says. There seems to be some issue on the other side of the property with 'an extra 2 feet of land' which would be in the other neighbours front lawn. Basically he said the 50' maybe 52' maybe it is worth the money to get an extra 2 feet on the other side, his lawn is all open anyways, i think is not very pretty to have fence on an angle. There is a gas pipe there so it not like i could put a drive way on that side.

nealtw 10-06-2013 12:17 PM

I would think that the surveyor is a little afraid of being called for court as a witness for property fight. So I would think you want to know what your rights and your niehbours rights are before you talk to them and I would not build a fence before talking to them.
Perhaps if they are looking at having a fence there they might be interesting in renting a couple feet and you would feel better about having a fence well in on your side of the line.
The surveyor used a city site plan to no where to find your property and the shape of it and you should be able to get a copy of that from the city, they also use pins located in the subdivision to start from and in older areas sometime, they have to survey some distance and take some time to find legal pins.
That site map should be part of the package if you pay the bill.

mudmixer 10-06-2013 08:42 PM

Jungle -

Was the surveyor a Registered Land Surveyor or just a guy with a transit?

He should have looked at the legal description and went off a known point with a back sight to determine bearings and locations of the corners.



Jungle 03-13-2014 07:40 AM

He's was registered surveyor. I didn't pay the bill and haven't heard from them so i assume it is forgotten. There is a complaint board i think they don't want to deal with.

The problem is they did all this research over the simple question of the shed. They should have just said the shed has squatting rights, that where the property line is, if you want i can do the whole property for $x,xxx.... instead they tried to jam me with a high price for a simple question. What were they surveying for 3 hours? Nothing, a line beside the shed that never existed. A squatter line.

Now I still have to the fence on the other side to complete, not only that but the back neighbor has put his fence 2 feet over, if you can believe it. That is according to the old surveys notes, but since i never paid i never got the notes.
So now the new survey i found will charge $500 for the two left side corner property pins. Or $1000 for all four pins, or $1300 with documentation.
With the left neighbor there is no fence only grass but apparently in the deed i get another 2 feet. Again i don't have the notes. It's another weird thing with the property and better to have a survey. I figure $500 is worth it.
Now i wonder with the back neighbor who just sneaked in the fence last October, he should be libel to me for the survey fee if his fence is over the line? I think it's safe to say most of the neighbors are tricky like this around here.:hide:
I am thinking to go over and make him sign an agreement that if his fence is over the line he will pay the survey fee. If he doesn't sign the agreement means he just wasting my time.

Wuzzat? 03-13-2014 11:10 AM

When we bought the house we were given a plat.

Based on that I thought the neighbor to the east was not mowing all of his lawn and that he was a jerk.

Then the neighbor on the other side showed me his plat and it disagreed with my plat.

So I went to the courthouse and found two plats.

Then I rented a metal detector and found three of the four iron posts which were now 2" underground after 50 years.

So I wrote a letter to the licensing agency about the lack of Due Diligence of the surveyor on the first plat, but heard nothing. Methinks the regulators are buddies with those to be regulated.
BTW, the neighbor to the east is still a jerk, possibly due to

"(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations"

His wife too, so maybe this is a

bud16415 03-13-2014 12:58 PM

I think you need a lawyer more than a surveyor and I didn’t think I would ever say those words let alone give that advice.

Around here almost all lending institutions will require all this in advance of a loan, just as they would look for attachments on the property and no sale would go thru until everything came back clean.

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