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Old 08-21-2010, 09:40 PM  
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I don't think they should build that mosque close to where the World Trade Center once stood.

I mean, you can spin any kind of symbolism you want into or out of that happening. On the one hand, people are going to say it represents the triumph of Allah over the Great Satan. On the other, people are going to say that the building of the mosque represents America's recognition that it was not Islam that brought down the WTC but misguided terrorists, and that the building of that mosque is a tribute to religious tolerance and freedom in America.

You can put whatever spin you want on it. But, at the end of the day, the bottom line is the building of that mosque close to ground zero is asking for trouble. There are people that are going to set about trying to bring down that mosque "just like the muslims brought down the WTC". Some Joe is going to figure it's his patriotic duty to fire bomb that mosque for pay back.

So, why do it? Why build something that's likely going to end up being a target for attack? I say build it somewhere else where it's not going to be an issue. To me, that mosque doesn't represent ANYTHING except poor judgement and lousy decision making. I would not want to own a building that's likely to be attacked as soon as it's built, and I expect the insurance premiums on that building are going to reflect that.



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As for the outside interference into American politics, I'm going to say hell no. That would defy the point of being a country and force us to globalize, which, as we all know is terrible.

As for the Mosque issue. It's not one. They have a footlocker next door (or something else equally as trivial). We blight our own greatness.



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I hope the mosque isn't an issue and the whole debate goes away regardless of whether they build it or not.

I'm just concerned that building that mosque is tearing the scab off of a lot of emotions even now. If someone takes it upon themselves to fire bomb it, that's just going to rekindle the flames again.

We don't need the drama. Build it next to a synagogue or something, but don't build it where it's going to cause a fuss.

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I think I found out what happened to Uncleknackers. Seems he had a little issue going to the mailbox the other day.

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So, Uncle Knackers got dressed up in a kangaroo costume and punched out a Japanese tourist? Hit him again for me Unc!

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I hope the mosque isn't an issue and the whole debate goes away regardless of whether they build it or not.

I'm just concerned that building that mosque is tearing the scab off of a lot of emotions even now. If someone takes it upon themselves to fire bomb it, that's just going to rekindle the flames again.

We don't need the drama. Build it next to a synagogue or something, but don't build it where it's going to cause a fuss.
I think it's interesting that people blame Islam. Koresh wasn't seen as a "Christian" but he thought he was Jesus. The Branch Davidians aren't seen as Christian Terrorist, although they were. I think we fear what we don't know. What we do know we hate. Hermann Hesse has a good quote on this one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb "

I think he was right.

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So, Uncle Knackers got dressed up in a kangaroo costume and punched out a Japanese tourist? Hit him again for me Unc!
I'm not sure on the specifics, but that camera got some air!
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I think it's interesting that people blame Islam. Koresh wasn't seen as a "Christian" but he thought he was Jesus. The Branch Davidians aren't seen as Christian Terrorist, although they were.
I can't say I genuinely agree with any of that.

There are differing views amongst "Christians" or "Catholics" just as there are differing views amongst various muslim, hindu, buddist and even athiest groups. Some "Christians", notably the Westboro Baptist Church, which protests at the funerals of fallen US soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan proclaims that "God Hates America" because of America's acceptance of homosexuality in society.

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That is, some Christian "churches" have very "radical" views just as some groups that profess to practise Islam have very radical views. When you have a book that's 2000 years old, and not all of it even makes sense (such as Psalms), it allows for a great deal of liberty in interpretation. No one can say that the Bible approves homosexuality, but no one can say that it isn't totally natural either. Diversity is the modus operandi of evolution. We can't accept the concept of evolution without also accepting the diversity of life it creates, including homosexuality.

So, the best that can be said is that we live in a very diverse world, diverse in every respect.

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I think we fear what we don't know. What we do know we hate. Hermann Hesse has a good quote on this one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb "

I think he was right.
Some of that I can partially accept. We do fear what we don't know. Y2K was a perfect example of that. We simply didn't know how big a problem it was going to be, and so we feared THE WORST. But, it's natural to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. That keeps us ready for any eventuality. Anything less wouldn't be "preparedness".

"What we do know we hate."
That just don't make no sense no how. People LIKE the music they listened to when they were kids. People become homesick and lonely for the people they know best; their relatives and close friends, when they are separated from them. People tend to buy the same brands of products simply because they are happy with them and know what to expect. If your statement is correct, then all of mine are wrong. Truth is, those people and things we know, we tend to prefer over those we don't. How often does grandma buy an Eminem CD? Prolly Grandma would prefer to watch Lawrence Welk on TV. Why? Cuz she knows of him and knows what to expect from him. Lawrence does't #$%@ing swear in any of his songs.

""If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself."

How does that square with white/black prejudice or the hate seethed by skinheads against anyone who isn't white. How does it square with the hatred of the Jews by Hitler's Third Reich? I say if you hate a person or group of people, you hate something about THEM that abhors you. End. Full Stop. For example, here in Canada there's a lot of prejudice against natives because there's the widespread notion that most of them spend their lives bouncing around on the social safety nets. They rely on government to provide funding to the tribe, and that funding goes for housing, education, salaries, etc. But, that funding comes out of tax payer's pockets, and it's natural for people to resent having to pay higher taxes to provide someone else with free housing, an tax-free income, free prescription drugs, free university education and still have them complain about how badly they've been mistreated.

What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb"
So, if I see a UFO in the sky, or a "ghost" or a Bigfoot or anything else that's completely outside my life's experience on this good Earth, that doesn't disturb me?

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I'm not sure on the specifics, but that camera got some air!
I thought it was a UFO hovering over the trees in the background that just happened to look remarkably similar to a movie camera.


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