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Old 03-22-2010, 07:33 PM  
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Citizens of this country overwhelmingly disapprove of this health-care reform bill as it is currently written but it appears it is being passed anyway against the wishes of the majority.

So my question is this:
Now that this law has been shoved up my *** by my government contrary to my wishes, will my insurance company be responsible for the medical costs of having it removed?
Oh I'm sure they will with a smile. Kinda like Kathy Bates in that movie..what was it?


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Citizens of this country overwhelmingly disapprove of this health-care reform bill as it is currently written but it appears it is being passed anyway against the wishes of the majority.

So my question is this:
Now that this law has been shoved up my *** by my government contrary to my wishes, will my insurance company be responsible for the medical costs of having it removed?
You betcha


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Old 03-23-2010, 09:29 AM  
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Don't even get me started on this.

I am 27 years old, and I honestly believe I will see the downfall/implosion of America in my lifetime.

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I am 27 years old, and I honestly believe I will see the downfall/implosion of America in my lifetime.
And I honestly believe that if that happens it will be because of all the special interest lobby groups in Washington that are influencing the opinions of your congressmen and senators, thereby affecting the direction your country goes.

There was a time when your government believed that prescription drugs imported from Canada were less safe than those sold in the USA. Then, once they started investigating, they found out that in many cases the prescription drugs sold in the USA were made in Canada, and the only difference between the two was that prescription drugs destined for the US market had a FDA sticker applied to the box before shipping. The reason why prescription drugs were cheaper in Canada was only because we have a law in Canada limiting the percentage price mark-up drug manufacturers can apply to the prescription drugs they make.

I believe that most Americans wanted a government run universal health care system similar to what they have in Canada, Australia, England, Japan, and most other industrialized countries. Instead, what you guys got was not health care reform, but health insurance reform, and the so called "public option" was cut out of the reform legislation. From what I could see from this side of the border, there was an awful lot of fear mongering going on, like talk of "death tribunals" for old people and that people could no longer choose which doctor they wanted. We've had public health care here in Canada for over 50 years and:
1. Most people think it works well enough,
2. There are no "death tribunals" to decide if an elderly relative is worth the cost of an expensive operation; the government stays out of those decisions, and it is left entirely up to the doctors, and
3. Anyone who want to continue seeing their own family doctor does so. My sister has two sons, and all three of them have been seeing the same family doctor since she was pregnant with her eldest son.

In a nutshell, public health care (pronounced "communism") simply isn't as bad as people have been led to believe, and I expect it was the lobbyists in Washington that work for the major medical service providers in the US that were instrumental in having the "public option" taken out of the recent legislation.

Americans are great people, and your have a great country. But, you also have lobby groups in Washington that are pushing for what's best for their own industries more than they are for what's best for America and Americans, and that's where much of the problem is.
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Old 03-23-2010, 02:22 PM  
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And I honestly believe that if that happens it will be because of all the special interest lobby groups in Washington that are influencing the opinions of your congressmen and senators, thereby affecting the direction your country goes.
BULLSEYE!

Unfortunately, everyone has a price it seems. The U.S. government has become every bit as corrupt as the third world governments we have started wars over in past years. There was a time when they tried to hide it, they don't bother to do that anymore. Next time congress goes on a witch hunt for Weapons of Mass Destruction they should start their search right there in the Halls of Congress.
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BULLSEYE!

Next time congress goes on a witch hunt for Weapons of Mass Destruction they should start their search right there in the Halls of Congress.
AMEN!

Vote em ALL out, neither one is good for our interests. Nestor, like I've said before 1st we can't afford it and 2nd if the govt controls it we are no better off under our current system (schools, Medicare-Medicaid, welfare, highways, education), gosh you have to love what the federal govt wants to have control of. I would love to have true health care reform, but the system crammed up Buds you know what doesn't make anything more affordable or provide better care.

What I find ironic is the same govt that tried and convicted Dr.Kevorkian is now allowing state funded abortion. Splain this to me Lucy?
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They stole from Social Security and broke that bank.
They robbed Medicare and broke it.
They pissed away Medicaid and it's on borrowed time.
They fumbled the USPS and it is broke.
They vote themselves the absolute best medical coverage known to man and we pay the premiums on that.
They have dumped trillions of dollars into phony wars and killed tens of thousands of young U.S. citizens, sons, daughters, husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters.

For what?

So that some greedy low-lifes can get richer than rich and so that lords of the world can cradle their gold.

Hell, we can just barely afford our health insurance now but somehow manage to pay it while on the streets every time a low budget worker gets a tooth ache he finds a way to go to jail so he can get to a dentist that is paid by the county.

Those same "workers" get free medical support and drug prescriptions at the hospitals and their babies are delivered free. Their kids get free school lunches and transportation if they want it. But do they pay taxes on their earnings? Damned few of them do, while I pay an additional 1% self employment tax over and above my income tax obligation.

While all this time the Wall Street bankers are cashing in on multi-million dollar bonuses and buy ocean-going yachts and have summer homes on the French Riviera.

ARE YA FRIGGIN' KIDDIN' ME?

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Maybe what's needed is another Boston Tea Party.

The one good thing about democracy is that it has a built in pressure relief valve called "elections". Every 4 years you get to let off some steam by getting someone else to take the country in a different direction. Dictatorships don't have that, and so the pressure keeps building up until you have an explosion (pronounced "revolution"). The pressure is building up inside Iran and North Korea right now.

In the 2004 election, Ron Paul ran for President, and he had a huge grass root's following of people that were just fed up with government spending. As pressure builds, there will be other people come forward to lead your country, like Ron Paul. It's just too bad that the only way they can get into the White House is by the previous government getting so many people so pi$$ed off.

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Tn rep Bart Gordon voted against it the first time around then changed his mind. Seems he wanted to retire, now the rumor is hes up for the head of NASA. Now you see why the votes rolled around their way. I wonder what the cost of all the BRIBS were that was extended this past week? Probally more than the Health Care Bill total.

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Oldog/Newtrick:

One of the reasons health care is so expensive in the US is because your system is a "for profit" business. Your health insurance companies make a profit off the premiums they charge, and your pharmaceutical companies charge exhorbitant prices for the drugs they produce. Also, your pharmaceutical companies are paying for "educational seminars" for doctors so that they can teach them about the latest drugs that have been approved by the FDA. The fact that those educational seminars are held on board a cruise ship in the Caribean makes it pretty clear that it's little more than a bribe to get doctors to prescribe those newer and more expensive drugs for their patients rather than the cheaper generic brands.

Here in Canada the government sets the price of all medical procedures and there are laws limiting the profits that can be made on pharmaceutical drugs made in Canada. Also, there are legislated limits on medical malpractice law suits. And, it's the government that builds the hospitals and supplies all the equipment. The result is that doctors in Canada make less money than they do in the US, but they also don't have to pay exhorbitant malpractise insurance fees.

We have a "brain drain" of Canadian doctors wanting to move south where they can enjoy better weather, better pay and better working conditions, but we don't suffer from a shortage of doctors and nurses. Lots of medical professionals want to stay in Canada for other reasons.

There's no doubt that public health care is an expensive program, but it doesn't have to be as expensive as it currently is in the US. If your medical system wasn't the milk cow it has become, do you think the medical lobby groups in Washington would be putting up such a big fight against the "public option" that was part of the original reform proposal. No way. The reason why they want to kill that public option idea at all costs is because they're making huge profits now, and they know they simply couldn't compete with a publically run non-profit system.

Whether or not now is the right time to start implementing a universal health care program is another question. You guys are fighting a war in Iraq and Afghanistan (Canadian troops are also in Afghanistan) and you've just spent almost a trillion dollars on an economic stimulus package to avoid another depression. So, maybe now isn't the right time, but I can tell you that my own personal experience with the non-profit publicly run health care system in Canada has been a good one, and I really don't see any reason why your government would make a big mess of a similar system on your side of the border.



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