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Old 03-24-2010, 03:29 AM  
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My perspective is that as long as campaigns are paid for with corporate money and members of congress have to run every two years, you will continue to get more of the same. It has been suggested that campaigns be publicly funded but no one wants to see politicians get money "for free". So instead, the corporations rip the public off big time (example: $7000 yearly per person health costs) and give a few million to the politicians and everyone is happy.

Look at it this way, if a presidential campaign was tax payer funded, you could give each candidate $300 million to spend at a cost of just $1 per person every 4 years. We get screwed out of that everyday before breakfast.



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Old 03-24-2010, 10:58 AM  
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Here's the deal of the boondoggle we managed to get ourselves in. Free market unregulated capitalism doesn't work."But fun it's worked for years"

Shut up, no it hasn't.

Capitalism in perspective of the constitution doesn't consider industrialization. With industrialization came all kinds of wonderful things. Like a need to regulate capitalism. Unchecked it runs amok raping villagers and burning there huts to the ground, but we need those people so what do we do? We regulate it.
The problem is insurance companies were allowed to exist without any real regulation in fact they managed to exist without the regulations we had in place like anti trust laws. Say what you will about socialism and communism. The reality is that those two systems aid the every man (which most of us are.). Now I want to go on record as saying I'm not socialist or communist. I am a realist. Existing in this day and age without severe reform in medicine and insurance is going to lead us all to personnel bankruptcy, and it has. What moral obligation do we have to our neighbor? None, but you have to take care of your self, and that can't happen in our current predicament. I commend and condemn the Dems on capital hill. Something had to be done. Maybe not this, but aside from regulating an industry that will refuse regulation what other alternatives do we have? It's a catch22 all the way around. The "Conservatives" with a couple of exceptions weren't doing anything, in fact they were helping to further cement the bond between Washington and insurance companies which is the greatest evil. We have horrible options before us but it's our own fault. You don't bite the hand that feeds you, unless it's feeding you poison and as Americans we consumed that poison with little complaint. Now that we don't like it we know no other way. Any attempt to fix this boondoggle will be met with opposition because that's what America is. Opposition. We have the right and it's about the only one all of us use.



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You better believe it.

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I dunno if you guys are getting the same information we are on this side of the border, but according to our news there have been over 10 Democrats that have asked the DC police or the FBI for protection because they have been getting death threats over the phone from people.

Apparantly, lots of people are upset enough over this health care reform that they've been threatening the people they hold responsible for it.

I think that if people are that upset about it, then maybe now isn't the right time to do it. Still, it seems to me that threatening your local politicians isn't any way to accomplish anything, and just makes things worse.

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I dunno if you guys are getting the same information we are on this side of the border, but according to our news there have been over 10 Democrats that have asked the DC police or the FBI for protection because they have been getting death threats over the phone from people.
That's just the way that goes, I'm kinda surprised those numbers are so few.

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Apparantly, lots of people are upset enough over this health care reform that they've been threatening the people they hold responsible for it.
Human nature.

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I think that if people are that upset about it, then maybe now isn't the right time to do it.
Duh! Ya think?
Seventy two percent of Americans are opposed to the bill, did that stop those belligerent bastards?

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Still, it seems to me that threatening your local politicians isn't any way to accomplish anything, and just makes things worse.
That's OK, November is just around the corner. We'll see what happens then.
So much for a life-long career in politics for some of those guys. Polish up your resumes boys and girls, it's gonna be job hunting time pretty soon. I wonder......do ex-Senators qualify for unemployment compensation?
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I think that when the public realizes that all those scare stories about death panels and the government "taking over" are untrue and realizes how it benefits them, it will splash back on those spreading these stories.

We went through this same cycle when we passed women's suffrage, civil rights legislation, Social Security, and Medicare. Change is always scary and those that stand to gain from blocking change are quick to take advantage of the public's skittishness by fanning these fears.

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America is. Opposition. We have the right and it's about the only one all of us use.
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We went through this same cycle when we passed women's suffrage, civil rights legislation, Social Security, and Medicare. Change is always scary and those that stand to gain from blocking change are quick to take advantage of the public's skittishness by fanning these fears.
See what I mean? If it's good, or bad it doesn't matter we stand in contrast to it. It's our nature as Americans. Freedom of speech is really freedom of opposition. If we where saying things the higher ups liked they wouldn't attempt to silence us. America was founded and resides in opposition.
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Tell me what's wrong with this argument for the "public option":

All the other G8 countries in the world have some form of government run public health care, the people in those countries are happy with their health care system and it's not bankrupting their country. Why won't your government do the same in America?

What you guys need first and foremost is clean up Washington so the lobbyists aren't running the country anymore, and the politicians actually represent the people again.

And the baby squabbles between Republicans and Democrats on purely partisan grounds isn't helping either. Both should be working to do what's best for America, and not just doing whatever they can to annoy each other.

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Tell me what's wrong with this argument for the "public option":

All the other G8 countries in the world have some form of government run public health care, the people in those countries are happy with their health care system and it's not bankrupting their country. Why won't your government do the same in America?

What you guys need first and foremost is clean up Washington so the lobbyists aren't running the country anymore, and the politicians actually represent the people again.

And the baby squabbles between Republicans and Democrats on purely partisan grounds isn't helping either. Both should be working to do what's best for America, and not just doing whatever they can to annoy each other.
Nestor, we don't want to be like the socialized European Nations. Some of us still believe that the American Spirit is risk and reward. Washington is trying to socialize our economy and set up entitlements. Its great if other nations want this type of system, but this nation was founded on freedom from what they are cramming down our throats right now. Its not about health care reform, cause this bill is not a reform bill, its an entitlement bill designed to maintain control.

You are right about cleaning up the cesspool in Washington, Dem's and Repubs are both to blame. Special interest are not the best interests of our Nation.


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