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Old 10-01-2009, 02:59 PM  
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I think you meant dissent.



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You took it out of context. A denial of the holocaust is backwards. I'm no Zionist, but it did happen, and if your going to base policy, or in this case lack there of, on a faulty point then you are in need of correcting. I understand that people are entitled to there opinion, but not when it causes an irrational amount of hate into an ignorant public. Your monkey man may have been smart by monkey man standards and he may have been smart by western standards, but if he had based his truth on a lie the intelligence is void, no matter his ability to logically deduce his position and reinforce it with perceived fact. What your saying is the exact opposite of science and science is the only valid form of intelligence. Meaning obviously the scientific method. Anything else is faith. Faith yields to coercion.
As for the Ayatollah, Stalin didn't have public support. He gained it through starvation. Look how well his regime instilled authority. An uneducated population ingrained with the words of Allah, which despite it's clergy saying it's peaceful (it is not), is an indoctrination of the ayatollah and his status as the supreme leader. Their religion forbids descent.
Well, all I'm saying is this:

Who hates Communism the most?
Is it the generals in the Pentagon? Is it the bankers on Wall Street? Or is it the bishops in the Vatican?

None of those. The people that hate Communism the most are the people that lived under it. You just have to talk to them to find that out. Until the Berlin Wall fell, they were the ones willing to risk imprisonment or death just to get the he11 out of their countries and into a free country.

And, except for the name and a few other changes, the people in Iran are finding out that living under a strict Islamist government isn't much different than living under a dictator or living under communism. They don't have the freedom they crave. Basically, they don't want to be told how they're supposed to think, what they're supposed to say and how they're supposed to behave. They want to think, say and do as they please, just like in Amarika.

And, I for one am hoping that the resistance movement in Iran grows the way the resistance to Communism grew in Poland and other eastern European countries. And, I believe Ahmadinejad is aware that there's the very strong possiblity of a resistance movement growing in Iran, both at a grass roots level and on a political level. And I believe that's why he's at the UN making speaches. He wants to be seen by moderate Iranians and fence sitters as "doing a good job for Iran" and standing up for Iran's right to self determination, and bashing Israel helps make him popular back home too.

But, the fact that he's doing that only a month after there were violent protests in the streets of Tehran shows how concerned the government is that their man get more positive exposure on Iranian TV. And, giving a speach at the UN that stands up to the western powers supporting Israel and defending Iran against foreign "aggressors" who invade that part of the world goes over well amongst ordinary Iranians. Right now it's a popularity contest between him and Mousavi, and Ahmadinejad knows that being the official leader gives him the opportunity to get more exposure, and he's wanting to use that exposure to build up his popularity amongst Iranians. But, it's an indication that he and the Ayatollan's are feeling a bit insecure.


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Old 10-03-2009, 08:28 AM  
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I think you meant dissent.
I think you meant dissent!
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Nestor, You say they hate communism but the reality of indoctronation shows us the the soviets as long as coming out of system of oppresion into soviet control enjoyed the transition. The were afforded law and order no matter how violent our tenuos. Sure the bottom of the population hates it but I dare to venture those people didn't really have much a voice before that. People want to be left alone, and whatever accomplishes it seems to be the prevailing ethic regardless of political affilation or socio-economic realities. In other words people will be habitualy unhappy. Not knowing the cause of this unhappiness people feel an inability to escape it perpetuating a feeling of hopeless ness.Paraphrasing Russell on that one. If the people of Iran weren't given a vote they would not have revolted. The violence wasn't in responce to oppresion, it was in response to freedom. They way to stop that is oppresion not face time on american telivision slamming homosexuals and praising allah. By that logic he could just control everything on Iranian television. Oh wait he does.

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I know I have mispelled things my spell check won't turn on.

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Communism and a strict Islamist regime have one thing in comman, and that is that they don't allow any dissent. People are not free to change the government or change the religion and so pressure to change builds up within the system until you have a revolution. That is, where the people take over the governance of the country by force, and set it on a different course.

Under a democracy, there is a safety valve built into the system. Every few years there is an election where the people elect new leadership. The result is that you never have so many people so upset with the status quo that they're willing to take up arms against the government in order to change the conditions under which they live. That fundamental difference is why you never see a coup or revolution in a truly democratic country. You see coups and revolutions in communist countries, dictatorships, and I'm hoping now in rigid theocracies such as you found in Afghanistan under Taliban rule.

I say that communism, dictatorships and rigid theocracies are all the same in that they repress people's desire for personal freedom, and because of that, there will all eventually fall, either by military coup or revolution or whatever.

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Communism fell to Capitalism the Taliban is back the papacy has been in existence since Peter. People like to be controlled.



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