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Dave928 05-04-2008 10:55 PM

change outlet w/ 3 wires to GFCI
 
i'm a house wiring newbie, but i'm slowly figuring it out. figured out a 4-way light switch (that was fun) but this one has me stumped:

my house was built in '82. i have a regular outlet near the kitchen sink that the home inspector said should be a GFCI. when i removed the outlet i found 3 wires on it, black, white and red. the white and red are on the top screws and the black is on the bottom on the red side.

how do i wire this for the GFCI? since the red and black are already connected, do i just wire nut them together with a third wire (black) and run that to the "LINE BLACK" screw, then the white wire goes to the "LINE WHITE" screw?

dave

Parrothead 05-05-2008 07:46 AM

Either the black or the red is most likely on a switch somewhere-probably the red. Just put a wirenut on it and tuck it into the back of the box. Then hook the black to the brass and the white to the silver. Make sure you look on the back of the GFCI outlet and hook the wires to the terminals marked "line" and not "load". Is there no ground in the box?? If not, in this case you're still ok. Contrary to popular belief, GFCI receptacles will still work without a ground wire.

Dave928 05-05-2008 12:59 PM

ok thanks. i guess i'll find out what the red was later when something doesn't work. :)

yes there's a ground. it wasn't an issue, so i didn't mention it...

JoeD 05-05-2008 06:10 PM

Sounds like a split receptacle. Each half of the receptacle is fed from a different breaker. You need to turn off two breakers to kill the whole receptacle. It could/should be a double pole breaker, but it might be tow separate breakers. This is very common in kitchen receptacles. It is actually code in Canada. The only way to GFCI protect it is with a double pole GFCI breaker. Lots of $$$$.

Dave928 05-05-2008 07:54 PM

why would both the red and the black come from the breaker panel if they're connected to each other at the outlet? they are connected, the little tab is not broken out...

Parrothead 05-06-2008 06:01 AM

Hmmm then possibly the red is feeding something else in some weird way. If you are positive that they were connected at the outlet, then just wirenut them together with a pigtail, and use the pigtail to hook up the GFCI.

Dave928 05-06-2008 01:23 PM

i'll triple check and press on...

thanks.

guyod 05-06-2008 05:45 PM

The gfi should have 2 connections for line that way both wires can go into the gfi. pig tails just add one more place for a short to happen.

JoeD 05-12-2008 05:01 PM

They are not connected to each other. The tab between the glod screws is broken and you have two separate circuits on one receptacle yoke.

Parrothead 05-13-2008 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeD (Post 18979)
They are not connected to each other. The tab between the glod screws is broken and you have two separate circuits on one receptacle yoke.


He said the tab wasn't broken, hence the confusion:



Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave928
they are connected, the little tab is not broken out...



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