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restez1963 06-11-2011 11:16 AM

unpolorized outlets
 
Hello guys

Few ?s

1)In older homes where no ground was installed and outlets were of 2 prongs
is this just hot wire and nuetral when unpolorized and and polorized?

2)If these plugs were modified and replaced with modern 3 prong outlets but the
wiring was not upgraded so being false grounds is this dangerous and why ?

3) Can someone tell me what it means to be a unpolorize plug outlet im guesing in to prong
old outlets both holes are the same size please correct me if i am wrong i just want to get a better understanding of this because i may buy a 1947 home and i know the house has modern outlets but open ground .
Thanks


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joecaption 06-13-2011 05:09 AM

What you can plan on and make your bid to account for it is, a complete rewiring of the home.
Ungrounded outlets can kill you, unpolerized one do not work well with modern electronic equipment.

kok328 06-13-2011 07:15 AM

1)In older homes where no ground was installed and outlets were of 2 prongs
is this just hot wire and nuetral when unpolorized and and polorized?
Yes

2)If these plugs were modified and replaced with modern 3 prong outlets but the
wiring was not upgraded so being false grounds is this dangerous and why ?
No more dangerous than what you have now.

3) Can someone tell me what it means to be a unpolorize plug outlet im guesing in to prong
old outlets both holes are the same size please correct me if i am wrong i just want to get a better understanding of this because i may buy a 1947 home and i know the house has modern outlets but open ground .
Correct

restez1963 06-13-2011 11:53 PM

thanks for your help guys

nealtw 06-14-2011 05:49 PM

For safety you can still add a gfi plug, it works with out ground.

Bevix 07-07-2011 10:03 PM

First things first: I AM NOT AN ELECTRICIAN!!! Take my advice at your own risk.

Regarding three wire plugs in two wire circuits, there is a way to ground these circuits under certain circumstances:

1. Your house is wired with armored cable (the wires are wrapped in a metal sheath) and you have metal switch and outlet boxes.

2. For each circuit (run of wiring to the main panel), you can verify that the cable's metal sheath is intact through the entire run (no plastic boxes in the circuit, say from a past splice for a new outlet). This is very important!! It must be intact all the way to the main panel.

If you have these circumstances, you can install a short run of wire (green insulation or bare copper only, please!) from the green screw on the outlet or switch and screw it into the box. There are usually holes in the boxes for these types of connections. They sell these wires (ask for "pigtails") at most big box or regular hardware stores.

By doing this, you can provide a true ground for each outlet instead of creating a dangerous illusion of a home full of grounded outlets and switches. Naturally, the best way is to provide a true ground for each circuit directly to the panel, but this is definitely better than nothing.

Finally, if you go with a GFCI outlet and don't have a ground attached, you should find a sticker in the box that says "No Equipment Ground." That sticker needs to be put on the outside of the outlet.

Good Luck and don't kill yourself! ;-)


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