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Old 06-23-2014, 01:20 AM  
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Hello! I'm attempting to help out my brother in law with installing his deck. He went down to the deck super store and got them to make him plans. Which he submitted for permit. The plans included post locations. He dug the post holes below the frost line and then I helped him fill them with concrete. Thinking we where all set to go we started the framing from the far side. As soon as I set the first Drop beam we knew that the other end of concrete caisson's where higher than the drop beam. Roughly 4 inches higher to be exact. The drop beam is suppose to be a 2x8. Attached is my best attempt to draw out the problem. Digging down at the one end will change the drainage plain of his back yard. the yard is basically a V and the deck sits close to the middle of that. The red arrow is pointing at the problem.

So since the caisson's are already in is there anything we can do? from a level line down from the bottom of the deck frame there is only 4.5" of space. So my only thought was put in a 4x4 for the drop beam and then level it up, but looking on the internet it seems as though the horizontal load of a 4X4 isn't enough. Any ideas?

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Honestly, you need to dig it out..and make the hole deeper. It's a little more work, but the only way to do it right.
Get a strap around it and pull it up with a lever, like a long 2x8, after you dig around it.
Then dig the hole, and put it back in.
Good luck! We have all made that mistake once!!



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I the beam is at the end of the deck like the drawing shows you could raise the beam to the hight of the joists and hang the joists off the side of the beam withthe correct hangers.

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<smash head here> that means I need to regrade that whole side of the yard other wise the the drainage plane is right over the top of the caissons on that side..... uggh.




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Honestly, you need to dig it out..and make the hole deeper. It's a little more work, but the only way to do it right.
Get a strap around it and pull it up with a lever, like a long 2x8, after you dig around it.
Then dig the hole, and put it back in.
Good luck! We have all made that mistake once!!
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Would we have to shorten the deck back to the drop beam? the deck is currently drawn out with a 2 foot overhang off the drop beam.

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I the beam is at the end of the deck like the drawing shows you could raise the beam to the hight of the joists and hang the joists off the side of the beam withthe correct hangers.
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Yes, I guess you are back to digging. And welcome to the site.

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Any good recommendations for getting the caissons out? They are 10" sonotubes 36" down. The back yard it too tight to get any big equipment in. If I'm going to have pull them I'm going to need a vacation in between... and maybe a doctors appointment.


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Put a diamond blade in the skill saw and cut all the way around give it a good wack with a hammer.

No digging required, well maybe a little

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Does your family own a level? Honestly, I am reading this and wondering how the hell this could have happened.


Or you could have rented a laser level! Try this ...
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Be nice Villa, experience is learning how to fix mistakes.
MrMiz. BTW dig a trench around the outside of the deck area and keep the water out from under as much as you can.



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