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Without this and other forums, where would you be?

You are still learning the terminology that speaks our language.

My work ethic, since I was 8, on a farm in North Dakota, was someone is going to get paid to do this, so why not me, and I learned it, without the internet.

Terminology I learned over 40yrs. ago, before the internet, and I'm sure I am not alone in that.
Look if you don't want to help the guy then don't. This is a do it yourself forum. Castigating people for not knowing the craft in such a forum is just an ego trip and no one will be impressed in a positive way. I have done electrical construction and service work for over 50 years in places as diverse as Tierra del Fuego, Alaska, Malaysia and Uganda and yet I'm fairly certain that I do not know all there is to know about the electrical craft. Any day that I can't learn something new I will check the obituaries for my own name.
 
Look if you don't want to help the guy then don't. This is a do it yourself forum. Castigating people for not knowing the craft in such a forum is just an ego trip and no one will be impressed in a positive way. I have done electrical construction and service work for over 50 years in places as diverse as Tierra del Fuego, Alaska, Malaysia and Uganda and yet I'm fairly certain that I do not know all there is to know about the electrical craft. Any day that I can't learn something new I will check the obituaries for my own name.

So, you "elected" to miss the point, which is, to show the respect to those of us who have worked in the trades, learned the terminology and are sharing that knowledge, by using the the terminology, so that we do not have to guess what you mean, saving us both time in reaching a solution.
 
So, you "elected" to miss the point, which is, to show the respect to those of us who have worked in the trades, learned the terminology and are sharing that knowledge, by using the the terminology, so that we do not have to guess what you mean, saving us both time in reaching a solution.

I do not agree with that, we all took years to learn.. we are not going to get that in a DIY forum.

If it bothers anyone who has to answer questions to us simpler folks, such as myself, and help them to understand, Maybe you shouldn't help... or move on.
But this is close to being a "know it all" all the time... and we wont have that,,
Cuz we certainly do not all..know it all.


Civility.. helps us to listen... and understand. :)
 
I do not agree with that, we all took years to learn.. we are not going to get that in a DIY forum.

If it bothers anyone who has to answer questions to us simpler folks, such as myself, and help them to understand, Maybe you shouldn't help... or move on.
But this is close to being a "know it all" all the time... and we wont have that,,
Cuz we certainly do not all..know it all.


Civility.. helps us to listen... and understand. :)

So, you missed this point; " so that we do not have to guess what you mean, saving us both time in reaching a solution." Instead there are threads that exceed 20 pages and that's a lot of wasted space and time.
 
So, you missed this point; " so that we do not have to guess what you mean, saving us both time in reaching a solution." Instead there are threads that exceed 20 pages and that's a lot of wasted space and time.
I don't think it is the others here who are missing the point. It is your replies to peoples questions and your standards for how those questions should be answered that are lacking in civility.
 
IE., not living by your standards?

No sale!
 
So, you missed this point; " so that we do not have to guess what you mean, saving us both time in reaching a solution." Instead there are threads that exceed 20 pages and that's a lot of wasted space and time.

No point missed here.. If you don't understand how some folks learn.. then you should probably not answer, or move on.
Simple really.
Keep it civil... telling us how we miss the point ..is your standard, not mine.
 
No point missed here.. If you don't understand how some folks learn.. then you should probably not answer, or move on.
Simple really.
Keep it civil... telling us how we miss the point ..is your standard, not mine.

I've been teaching all phases of the const. industry for 45yrs. and conservative principals, not handholding civility, are my forte. If you can't handle the truth, don't ask.
 

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