Which is the best refrigerator?

zannej said:

Saipan is a beautiful place- well, it was last time I went there-- which was about 20 years ago. Time flies. Small island. Lots of WWII sites. There used to be a 5minute flight from Saipan to Tinian. My mom went to the casino on Saipan while my dad and I went boonie stomping on Tinian. Found ourselves a midden pile of coke bottles from WWII. We collected a bunch of them.

I've never heard of Wolf ranges before. Never heard of a 4 minute dishwasher either. That would be awesome.

Daniel, thanks for the info on the digital inverters. I'll have to look it up some day. I think my fridge has the older type since it's over 15 years old. I'd love to see a side by side comparison of the different types. Something that works reliably and draws less power would be good.

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Cool! One day I want to visit WW1 sites like Argonne and WW2 sites like Normandy. I lived around Civil War battlefields, that all amazes me as a History buff.

Here's an example of those quick dishwashers. I see a lot of them are 240v, which I didn't know before. Makes it a little more difficult, but I would probably just replace the main panel.

https://www.restaurantsupply.com/under-counter-dishwashers

Am I weird? (OK that's probably a separate question. What I mean is...) am I weird that I load my dishwasher throughout the day and then run it at night -- usually hitting the start button is the last thing I do before bed -- so it doesn't matter how long it takes, as long as it's under about 8 or 9 hours. Usually it's 2-3.

As such I don't see the point of a 4-minute dishwasher. Not like I'm running a restaurant out of my dining room.

Spicoli43 said:

Thanks for that info, I didn't know about Saipan. I have commented about Prisons for a long time, there shouldn't be any private ones.

I have wondered for a long time about Wolf ranges / ovens. I might as well save for one for a few years because they cost as much as a used car, but one thing I will guarantee right now is I'm not buying a new Big Box store appliance ever again. I will kill off the ones I have or repair them, or buy used versions of them, but never new.

I also want one of those commercial dishwashers that is done in 4 minutes that I used as a HS kid at Godfather's. I know there is several brands in the 20-30 minute range, which of course would be fine. I wouldn't even care if they dried that good if they were done that fast.

I have whole back issues, every bend down threatens to give me a week vacation from doing anything.

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If I were buying again I would probably go with Wolf. They own Sub-zero and my fridge works great. Also I have a Bosch dishwasher and we love it. It is super quiet which was important to us. We have an open concept house so if it was loud it would suck. It does a great job. Plastic stuff still doesn't come out really super dry but everything else is dry. A cycle is about 2 hours though. Like flyover said we usually start it in the evening after dinner. Our bedroom is like a loft and you can't even hear it up stairs except maybe when it pumps out or if something is moving around it it.

zannej said:

I have a dishwasher-- not sure what brand-- but I use it as an island for food prep and as a drying rack. Nothing ever gets clean in it-- probably because of the hard water. I also hate bending because of my back (as I mentioned before) so I don't like dishwashers. If it was higher up and didn't involve bending, it would be fine.

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Maybe you could get a water softener and mount the dishwasher up higher... I assume it's on wheels? Put it on top of a new storage cabinet.

Flyover said:

Am I weird? (OK that's probably a separate question. What I mean is...) am I weird that I load my dishwasher throughout the day and then run it at night -- usually hitting the start button is the last thing I do before bed -- so it doesn't matter how long it takes, as long as it's under about 8 or 9 hours. Usually it's 2-3.

As such I don't see the point of a 4-minute dishwasher. Not like I'm running a restaurant out of my dining room.

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My Maytag dishwasher stays on after it's done to display the white light saying it's done. I'll have to do that once with a Kill-A-Watt to see how much electricity it burns.

My lovely Whirlpool dryer stays on at the end of the cycle and beeps and rotates the drum for 20 seconds every so often to remind me that the cycle is done. No sleeping through that.

68bucks said:

If I were buying again I would probably go with Wolf. They own Sub-zero and my fridge works great. Also I have a Bosch dishwasher and we love it. It is super quiet which was important to us. We have an open concept house so if it was loud it would suck. It does a great job. Plastic stuff still doesn't come out really super dry but everything else is dry. A cycle is about 2 hours though. Like flyover said we usually start it in the evening after dinner. Our bedroom is like a loft and you can't even hear it up stairs except maybe when it pumps out or if something is moving around it it.

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Have you had a Wolf?

Spicoli43 said:

My Maytag dishwasher stays on after it's done to display the white light saying it's done. I'll have to do that once with a Kill-A-Watt to see how much electricity it burns.

My lovely Whirlpool dryer stays on at the end of the cycle and beeps and rotates the drum for 20 seconds every so often to remind me that the cycle is done. No sleeping through that.

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If the Maytag white light is an LED the power used is prolly about nothing...

The dryer prolly rotates the drum while cooling down to prevent wrinkles/creases from setting in...

BuzzLOL said:

If the Maytag white light is an LED the powered used is prolly about nothing...

The dryer prolly rotates the drum while cooling down to prevent wrinkles/creases from setting in...

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If that's why, it doesn't work. It has a "steam" option that I might hookup, but if I want a shirt to be relatively wrinkle free, I need to do it separate and take it out right away.

Spicoli43 said:

Have you had a Wolf?

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No, we looked at Wolf when we bought and we liked the form of the Viking a little better. They are similar, more or a commercial product. There aren't a lot of brands in that product space. I wanted try and stay American made.

My dishwashers have always cycled through in 45 minutes to and hour, but maybe newer ones have energy saving features that slow them down... I'm still back in the GE PotScrubber days...

Spicoli43 said:

Cool! One day I want to visit WW1 sites like Argonne and WW2 sites like Normandy. I lived around Civil War battlefields, that all amazes me as a History buff.

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I visited Vietnam but it was during the actual war days... Vietnam looks like Hawaii, but kinda stinks because people pee and poop outdoors... strangest thing is trees full of monkeys... and it's 110 degrees 10 months out of the year... the Buddhist people are kind and gentle...

BuzzLOL said:

I visited Vietnam but it was during the actual war days... Vietnam looks like Hawaii, but kinda stinks because people pee and poop outdoors... strangest thing is trees full of monkeys... and it's 110 degrees 10 months out of the year... the Buddhist people are kind and gentle...

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Baghdad has the same temperature, doesn't drop below 100 during the Summer, no beaches, and also no sewage department or trash collection.

Spicoli43 said:

Baghdad has the same temperature, doesn't drop below 100 during the Summer, no beaches, and also no sewage department or trash collection.

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I lucked out, my first 4 months in Nam were in 80th Group on the beach by DaNang... swam about every day in the hot months... then 4 months on DaNang U. S. Air Force Base... waiting for BushJr. to show up... he never did... LOL! ... then 4 months on Freedom Hill... endured a Typhoon there... (Asian name for a hurricane)

BuzzLOL said:

I lucked out, my first 4 months in Nam were in 80th Group on the beach by DaNang... swam about every day in the hot months... then 4 months on DaNang U. S. Air Force Base... waiting for BushJr. to show up... he never did... LOL! ... then 4 months on Freedom Hill... endured a Typhoon there... (Asian name for a hurricane)

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I'll take the swimming without stuff biting me... Swam in Uday Hussein's pool a few times, although his castle wasn't fit for any visitors, had some construction issues.

On the main post, there was a nice pool, but the Aussies got it.

Spicoli43 said:

I'll take the swimming without stuff biting me...

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Never been bitten by anything while swimming in Atlantic or Pacific oceans or South China Sea... but bitten by sunfish while swimming in quarries... prolly not much to eat in those deep rock quarries...

Flyover, that's a good idea. My dish washing usually involves washing dishes first (bc they had to be washed before being put in the dishwasher bc it NEVER gets stuff off if they aren't pre-washed) loading it up, hooking it up, turning hot water on, turning dishwasher on, leaving. Coming back hours later (never paid attention to time it took to wash) and having to unload and wipe everything down to get the sediment off. That's one of the reasons I hate the dishwasher. Adds extra steps and works better as a drying rack.

@zannej Well, what I had to tell my wife is: it's not a magic box. First, you have to get the actual food off the dishes. (Sauce residue and stuff like that is OK, although for whatever reason I've never met a dishwasher soap that is able to remove stuck-on avocado...avocado oil must have something special about it. So, any avocado residue has to be wiped completely off.) Second, you have to load the dishwasher in a way so that the spinners can spin, so that spray can reach all surfaces, etc. Don't face a dirty dish flat against the wall. That kind of thing. Understand how water flows through the dishwasher and place your dishes so the water can move over them and work with that flow. Every dishwasher owner's manual I've seen actually comes with illustrations of how the dishwasher should ideally be loaded. (I'll bet I'm the only guy alive who studies those illustrations admiringly.) Third, before you run your dishwasher make sure you run your disposal in your sink. If that thing is gunked up then gunk will back up into your dishwasher. And you've gotta clean out your dishwasher's filters and traps once in a while, make sure its spray arms aren't clogged up, etc. You get the idea.

Also, as others have said, you should check and make sure your dishwasher's hooked up properly.

My dishwasher is a portable unit so I have a hose I hook to the sink's faucet. It dumps everything out into the sink through that same hose. I don't even know where filters and spray arms are on it. It hurts my back to lean into it. I always tried to position stuff so it would get sprayed. But, it was always more work than just washing stuff and leaving it to dry in the dishwasher. LOL.