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We are planning to remodel the second bath. It has pink plastic fake tile panels on the walls and as a tub/shower surround. Those will be removed , the surround will be tiled, and the walls will have beadboard 3/4 of the way up. The water supply valves and the fixtures for the tub/shower will be replaced as well. Also replacing vanity, keeping the tub and toilet. There is easy access to the water pipes, valves etc through the large linen closet that backs up to the shower wall. I have already cut an access panel - when I bought the house to put in cut off valves for those leaky fixtures.

My main Q is for the tub/shower work. Once I rip out the pink panels, is it better to put the new valves and fixtures in first, then tile around it, or should I do the tile first and leave "holes" for the new fixtures to poke through?
 

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Update: The nasty pink plastic wall tiles are gone! The walls are down to studs around the bathtub; toilet, vanity, medicine cabinet - all gone.
The new toilet arrived - smashed into a thousand pieces, so we are waiting on a replacement for that.
The new vanity top was badly scratched and had to be replaced as well.
The beadboard wall planks and trim arrived to day - and they actually sent everything I ordered and it all arrived in great shape!!

Hopefully the next couple of days will see the Kerdi board go up and then the tiling begins!!
 

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Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear about the toilet. When I ordered a toilet online I read reviews to see that they packed the toilets well to make it difficult to damage-- but even with good packaging sometimes shippers drop stuff & pile stuff on top & aren't careful at all. I've received some pretty smashed up packages before. I hope your new toilet & vanity top will arrive undamaged.
Looking forward to pictures of the progress. Not a bad layout for the bathroom but that pink tile needed to go.
 

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Second toilet arrived, - also broken. Third one to arrive next week (sigh)
Unable to find drywall shims locally, so I have to order those to straighten out those wavy walls. A week to wait on those as well.
FedEx has decided that they might deliver my flooring sample today, though, so at least I can spend my time agonizing over that. :)
 

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Kat, from where are you ordering your toilet? Are you having it shipped to your house or to the store? What toilet are you getting? Sorry that keeps happening. Ooh, what flooring are you considering? I'm being nosy. LOL. I hope things start going better for you.
 

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Update - third toilet arrived - no apparent damage. Finally!
Bought a new tile saw - opened it, and it was obviously used - full of dirt and tile chips, the blade was rusty, and it was missing parts. Back to the store for a new one.
Flooring ordered and arrived - using a high end sheet vinyl. Yeah, I know - I am one of the last people on the planet that loves a nice sheet vinyl. Too many years of living with cold hard tile, I guess.

Got the wavy wall studs shimmed and flat, and the Schluter Kerdi board cut and screwed into place.

Fast forward to today: The taping and mudding of the kerdi board was more difficult than I thought it would be - never done that sort of thing before. Mainly standing on a step stool in the tub = awkward angle working over my head when I am 6 inches from the wall.

The Kerdi Fix (their brand of sealant/caulk) caused a mess - the second tube simply exploded when I put it in the caulking gun, - seems the top popped off, and no way to reattach it. Couldn't get a "bead" of caulk, so I had to scoop it out with my hands and use my fingers to smoosh it into place. Messy, but worked ok.
The problem was getting the stuff off my hands - tried odorless mineral spirits, mineral oil, paint thinner - then finally denatured alcohol. That worked well, but by then my hands were raw and stinging from the scrubbing and chemicals.

Tomorrow the "easy" part (translation - the part I have done before, lol) begins - the actual tiling.
 

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I'm happy to hear the toilet arrived undamaged. I would have been mad about the used saw though. I like sheet vinyl well enough. They have some nice stuff these days. Thick waterproof stuff is good. I'm putting sheet vinyl in all of my bathrooms.

Sounds like you're having some bad luck but still rolling with it and getting things done. Hopefully things will go more smoothly.
 

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bath room remodels
1) demolition
2) install new framing,
3) rough in plumbing with tub , shower, and faucets for same , rough only.
4) electrical rough in .
5) install gyprock wonder board .
6) install tile.
7) plaster and paint.
8) install vanity or counters
9) install toilet, sink, shower and bath finishing, towel rack, , light fixtures , curtains ect .
10 ) call wife
11) crack open a beer
 

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The Bath Remodel that Never Ends, update:

The tiling is going well, if slowly. Lots of weird cuts to make.
I am now in a holding pattern until my special order mortar arrives. I ran out - the first bag did not go nearly as far as I thought it would. Obviously, I underestimated how much mortar would be used installing the Kerdi band itself, in addition to the square footage of the tiling. For those of you unfamiliar, Kerdi band is kinda like mudding and taping drywall - it waterproofs all seams and intrusion (pipe fittings, valves, etc
You have to use unmodified mortar with it - no one carries any locally, so I had to order it.

So the new bag of mortar will arrive Wednesday, and I will get back at it on Thursday. Supposedly. :)

The good news: I LOVE LOVE LOVE the look of the tile so far. I am using a 4 x 12 white subway tile - offset brick layout. Basically - it looks like a traditional subway pattern, only larger and slightly more modern.

I am already dreaming of that first soak in the tub...candles, my rubber ducky... maybe a glass of happy juice. :)
 

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The Bath Remodel that Never Ends, update:

The tiling is going well, if slowly. Lots of weird cuts to make.
I am now in a holding pattern until my special order mortar arrives. I ran out - the first bag did not go nearly as far as I thought it would. Obviously, I underestimated how much mortar would be used installing the Kerdi band itself, in addition to the square footage of the tiling. For those of you unfamiliar, Kerdi band is kinda like mudding and taping drywall - it waterproofs all seams and intrusion (pipe fittings, valves, etc
You have to use unmodified mortar with it - no one carries any locally, so I had to order it.

So the new bag of mortar will arrive Wednesday, and I will get back at it on Thursday. Supposedly. :)

The good news: I LOVE LOVE LOVE the look of the tile so far. I am using a 4 x 12 white subway tile - offset brick layout. Basically - it looks like a traditional subway pattern, only larger and slightly more modern.

I am already dreaming of that first soak in the tub...candles, my rubber ducky... maybe a glass of happy juice. :)
Don't forget pics, we love pics...
 

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Hey now! Lol

As Dawg said, we would love to see the tiling job pictures!
 

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I've heard good things about Kerdi board and seen it used quite a bit on Youtube & home reno shows. The subway tile thing sounds cool.
Would love to see pics if you get the chance.
 

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I have been out of town since my last post - I will get some pics up later today. :)
 

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That looks very cool! I like the wall niche. Neat little pattern inside.
 

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It is supposed to be daisies. It was pretty white when installed, but now it appears a lot darker gray. I assume the marble is absorbing water from the mortar. I actually prefer the darker color, but I assume it will go back to white at some point.
 

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This isn't a plumbing question, but I thought it would be good to keep all q's on the project together on one thread.

Time to put up the walls - I am using PVC beadboard wainscoting planks. The instructions say to use construction adhesive (the kind that says it works on pvc) AND to nail it.

That seems like overkill. And the price of a nail gun will definitely blow my project budget.

Has anyone ever installed something like this? Do I really have to glue AND nail, or will glue be okay by itself?
 

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The reason panels are nail, is to secure them in a stationary position, or you could set up a bracing method, leave it in place the several days required for the adhesive to achieve maximum adhesion.

Why a nail? You are spot nailing, not 4, 6, or 8"oc, like roof sheating or drywall.
 

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OK, makes sense. The adhesive says 24 hours, but it sure grabs instantly.
 

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