Drip Edge on new roof. Poor job?

[bill219]

This sure looks unattractive to me, but I'm no roofer. This job was just completed and I did not see this until I got up on the ladder. I would appreciate a professional opinion. Is this typical to cut the drip edge out around the rain gutter supports, or is this install an afterthought?

Thanks all.

 

[bud16415]

Doesn’t look right to me. We have some pro roofing people on the forum that will comment.

Welcome to the forum.

 

[Snoonyb]

It's typical, but a really crappy job.

 

[Sparky617]

Without removing the gutters I'm not sure what choice they had. If it were me doing the work, I would have consulted the homeowner and offered a choice, albeit at a cost.

 

[bud16415]

It looks like it interfered by about a 1/16” and they hacked a notch in it a good half inch. I’m not a roofer but if I saw that little interference I would have taken a pair of duck bills and marked the hangers and then crimped the edge up at those spots just a little. Would have taken less time and looked a lot better.

 

[doechsli]

Wait till you try to clean out your gutters and slice open about three fingers.

 

[Sparky617]

They could have probably just put the drip edge in without cutting it and just letting the hangers bend the drip edge up a bit. It is a sloppy job.

 

[bill219]

Thanks for all of your responses and for making me welcome here. I have emailed the roofer who did the job, and I'm awaiting his response and what if anything he proposes to do to fix this. I suspect replacement of the edge will require the removal of some shingles too.

I have had some really good luck on many of these type of forums getting honest answers. Nice to have good folks willing to lend a hand.

Thank you,

Bill

 

[user 4883]

Don't know which way the pitch is going but, I would expect that wasn't really necessary towards the downspout ends.
The brackets appear to be made to accept the water from the notched tab though.
I have to remember to avoid those type of brackets and go with the good ole' aluminum nail.

 

[havasu]

A shorter drip edge is what was needed.

 

[user 4883]

A shorter drip edge is what was needed.

Bracket is attached to top of gutter and drip edge must over lap the gutter. Something had to give.

 

[oldognewtrick]

A shorter drip edge is what was needed.

I disagree, that is the proper drip edge and looks like the correct extension past the drip edge of the shingles. The problem is the gutter elevation, it should have been lowered to accommodate the drip edge.

 

[Snoonyb]

So, the OP should lower the gutters to accommodate the roofers crappy trade practices?

When you hire a professional business, what on earth would lead you to believe you should expect anything less than professional workmanship?

Instead of the crap he received.

 

[oldognewtrick]

So, the OP should lower the gutters to accommodate the roofers crappy trade practices?

When you hire a professional business, what on earth would lead you to believe you should expect anything less than professional workmanship?

Instead of the crap he received.

Yes, the gutters should have been re-elevated to the proper height. There is nothing crappy about using drip edge, it is a specification from most shingle MFG's to install it on all horizontal runs. The roofer was correct in using it.

He was not correct in telling the homeowner before the installation started that the gutters should be removed, drip edge installed, then the gutters re-installed properly or new gutters. The whole purpose of drip edge is compromised by notching the bottom to accommodate the hangers.

 

[Snoonyb]

Yes, the gutters should have been re-elevated to the proper height.

What a load of crap! It'll be a cold day in hell before I'd tell a homeowner that he need to further encumber himself because I cannot preform in a professional manner consistent with my trade.

Let alone risk loosing a project

There is nothing crappy about using drip edge, it is a specification from most shingle MFG's to install it on all horizontal runs. The roofer was correct in using it.

Notching in an irregular and inconsistent manner 1-1/2", when it wasn't required and not cutting those tabs, is crappy, low grade, jack-leg laborer workmanship.

He was not correct in telling the homeowner before the installation started that the gutters should be removed, drip edge installed, then the gutters re-installed properly or new gutters.

Never should have happened and there is no excuse for crappy workmanship.

The whole purpose of drip edge is compromised by notching the bottom to accommodate the hangers.

Actually, because the drip edge overlaps the gutter, it does not, no would it.

But your solution of further encumbering the OP, might.

 

[oldognewtrick]

Sir, I'd rather not do a job than do it incorrectly. Yes, I'd risk loosing a job than do things against the instruction specifications of the MFG. If you don't do a job correctly the first time, when are you going to find time later to correct it?

We agree, cutting the drip edge is hack work.

Instead of pointing fingers, offer some constructive comments on how the homeowner can better his position.

 

[Snoonyb]

Sir, I'd rather not do a job than do it incorrectly. Yes, I'd risk loosing a job than do things against the instruction specifications of the MFG. If you don't do a job correctly the first time, when are you going to find time later to correct it?

I'll say it again; I've been doing this for over 40yrs and have yet to do ANY warranty work from my actions.

I'm hired because I'm smart enough to find a way.

Instead of pointing fingers, offer some constructive comments on how the homeowner can better his position.

he cant better his position, the project is complete and long since paid for, so the OP's solution is to cut the folds off and not refer the roofer.

 

[nealtw]

It would have been fine if he had just cut enough to clear the brackets or bend the bottom just a little as the top of the gutter is well above the brackets, but now he needs top come back and stand behind his work.
He could also have explained the problem to the homeowner and given him a choice of paying for a re and re of the gutter.

It's good enough to say good enough, unless you are the customer. And then a smart contractor gets the good enough in writing to protect himself.

 

[beachguy005]

When they installed the seamless aluminum on my house they also slipped the gutter behind the drip edge, but rather than notching the DE they screwed the bracket through the DE, into the gutter and then into the fascia. I was washing the outside minor mildew off the other and now they look as new as the day they were installed 4 years ago.
I do have 2" drip edge on this house and doing any other way, especially given how heavy our rains can get, might have left some leaks.

 

[bill219]

Hi All:

The roofer has finally returned my calls and said he apologized for the poor job. He agreed that the cuts were made too deep and stated his crew often gets "a little out of control" at times. The crews that did this job were all young guys. BTW, the shingle work looks very nice.

He is offering to fix the drip edge, however he can't do it till spring because they are far to busy right now. I live in the NW US where we have snow in winter, and it's already getting quite cold.

I have asked him to send me his promise in writing, but I doubt he will.

He says he will have to loosen up all the hanger screws and then tuck the new drip edge back behind it. So that's his fix.

So, I'm stuck with the job until spring and hope he keeps his promise.

I don't want to get nasty with the guy. I'm just trying to be diplomatic at this point and work it out. I've checked his state contractor license and all is current. I should also add, I found this roofer through the recommendation of the BBB and read a few reviews on him which were all good.

Thanks everybody who commented and Happy Holidays.