garage resurfacing

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  1. Sep 17, 2014 #21

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    In your case, I think the key word to look for on the label is "feather-edge". You are reading the labels before you buy the product...right???
     
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    In the barn and milk house we used what Lowes and Home Depot etc. sell in 10 pound buckets called Hydraulic Cement. There are several brands here is one. http://www.homedepot.com/p/DRYLOK-Fast-Plug-10-lb-Hydraulic-Cement-00924/100171483
    I wouldn’t try and surface your whole floor just patch the gouges in the poor finish. If there are any high points I would knock them off and trowel a bit of this over. Your pressure wash should be all that’s needed to prep for this stuff.

    We fixed cracks and areas where water running or blasting the floors caused groves and would feather the edge out to nothing and it would last a long time without any covering like the epoxy you plan. Most of the areas repaired are in cattle walk ways where skid steers run around and it seemed to hold.
     
  3. Sep 17, 2014 #23

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    guys, forget regular cementitious products,,, there are many polymer-modified brands avail specifically formulated to address this particular issue,,, they're installed w/gauge rakes, pool trowels, & squeegees,,, they are NOT self-leveling,,, so there's no magic bullet

    the 1st step in this work is usually diamond grinding for us,,, it may also be necessary to ' pickle ' & neutralize the existing conc floor depending on the selected product

    look on: concretenetwork.com - decorativeconcreteforum.com - concretelocator.com - they're where the pro's hang out

    epoxies do not possess the hi-build qualities needed - hydraulic is totally inappropriate impo - fine aggregate is needed to provide abrasion resistance - urethanes are applied as a final coat to protect epoxies - water-based epoxies still suck
     
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    I find this comes up a lot. A DIYer homeowner with almost zero skills trying to have someone help him thru trying to make something better than it was. He’s pretty new to this as his first tries were thick products with large size fill material I think most of us wouldn’t have thought about for a second to try.

    The home owner with limited skills I think needs to hear some ideas that he can carry out or to hear it’s not a job to try on your own, pro only.

    I don’t know if I could come up with a diamond grinder or the pickling and neutralizing equipment to do a garage floor or if I could I don’t know if I would have the skills or the PPE to do them safely.

    The products and tools he needs to hear about should come from a builder’s center or a hardware store and be relatively safe and simple to do. If a more complex solution is what is needed then we should take the time to really spell it out in detail. I did a google search on polymer-modified cementitious overlay and I’m finding a lot of tech talk and places I can but a 55 gallon drum for $1049. Most companies I found doing the work are good size and show lots of examples of resurfacing steps and walks and patios etc but offer a product but a service.
    Here is a link I found for smaller quanities.
    Would this be a good product?
    http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/b...gclid=CNn9zvLj6MACFcZQ7Aod_gYArQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
    Would this be a good video of the skills needed?
    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe8Vq-mMC3g[/ame]
    Is there any home retail stores that sell it for DIY?
     
  5. Sep 17, 2014 #25

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    Here are some more pics. And yes! I'm new to this and I'm learning . They don't teach these kind of stuff back in high school. I could go the easy way out and go with a pro. My garage is 200 Sq feet area. That's arnd 2 grand. I don't have that kind of cabbage to do that. Or I can choose to just cover it with garage floor mat.

    But what's the challange if you ask a pro to do it. It's kinda like you want to modified your car but asking someone to install all the parts for you.

    Here are more pics. I ask the guys at my station and he suggested materials with very little sand and a polybond

    Thanks for all the advise btw.

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  6. Sep 17, 2014 #26

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    I still think I would just use sticky painter's tape, about 5" up from the floor. Mix the epoxy and paint the wall with a brush. Then, remove the tape before the epoxy sets. Now, using a roller, roll out the garage epoxy paint, nice and think, and if you want little sprinkles, this is the time to spread them. I will guarantee you it will turn out great for less than a hundred bucks.
     
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    Having gone most of my life without a garage and then one with dirt floor I'm happy now that I have one with a floor that looks pretty bad with cracks. But I understand wanting it to be a showplace. My friend has checkerboard floor and you can eat off it. He uses mine for dirty jobs. Mine is a workplace some want a showplace.


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  8. Sep 17, 2014 #28

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    I'm going on a limb here here but what about using grout? You can trowel it flat and it is made to bond? You can also get 50 pound bags of rapid set grout which is what we use to seal storm drain systems?
     
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    I'm with Bud on this one. Get some Drylock or something similar and fill the crack and the low spots. But chances are the surface colors will be different - even just because of age.

    L23: have you looked at the plastic tiles designed specifically for garages?
     
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    guess some of my posts didn't appear legible so here's some mtls by name - 5star, master builders, elitecrete ( which we used for yrs & still occasionally do even tho we're not generally doing decorative conc work anymore ), stardek, super-krete, schofield, cts,,, even think apron store's now sell cement-all

    haven't read a response acknowledging these 'new' materials used 25yrs, have state dot approvals, & are spec'd on fed projects,,, i'm thinking IF the apron/vest stores don't sell it, many don't know about it,,, either that OR we've got some responders who aren't public works contractors,,, guys, wake up ! there's a whole 'nother world of conc repair out there :welcome: under youse noses :beer:
     
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    The below links are to the suggestions made by stadry. The only one that I could find that is readily available to the DIY was the “Cement All Rapid Set” thru Home Depot the other links are worth a view even though they are commercial contractor related as their photo pages give lots of useful tips and great photos of end results.


    http://www.fivestarproducts.com/products/concrete-repair-and-overlays.html

    http://www.basf-admixtures.com/en/new-brand/Pages/default.aspx

    http://elitecrete.com/

    http://www.stardek.com/

    http://www.super-krete.com/

    http://www.scofield.com/

    http://www.ctscement.com/
    This is CTS Rapid Set DIY homepage. They mention Home Depot and have a selector tool to find a product.
    http://www.ctscement.com/do-it-yourself/

    Here is a link to the home depot page for Cement All Rapid Set. There are a couple videos there as well.
    http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rapid-Se...pose-Construction-Material-02010055/202188447
     
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    Bought it and tried it . No go. It's the same thing as the quikrete resurfacer except it's cheaper. Still has sand residue on the end after trowelling. I ended up using the leveling kit and 30 bucks a bag.
     
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    Can you post a link to the product you ended up using? “leveling kit”
     
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    I don’t know anything about that product when used on a garage floor. Did homedepot recommend using it for your garage?
     
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    you can't listen to the apron/vest folks UNLESS a particular individual has been ' on the tools & in the trades ',,, those places spend $ 0.00 on product training,,, generally all they know is what's written on the labels/bags/etc,,, think of your apron/vest ' expert ' as a tsa screening agent @ your local airport & it'll be much easier to comprehend

    we would have had zip trouble resurfacing the floor using any of the mtls i mentioned,,, slc is NOT 1 we would have picked,,, its abrasion resistance is so comparatively low its generally not suited as a final floor finish - certainly not in any garage of mine OR a client's,,, however, if you're happy & you know it, that's fine
     
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    I have used a lot if that product with good results. If you get creative with a trowel you can make a stamped concrete look out of it.
     
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    Stadry.

    Of all the products you listed I took the time to find the link explaining what they are and how to use them. It also looked like only one of them was available to a DIYer. And I showed the link to that at an "apron store". The OP then came back with been there tried that and didn't like it and apparently didn't listen to any advice he was given. I didn't suggest him using it and was questioning where the info came from. I honestly have no idea how it will hold up with epoxy over it.

    The more I learn the less I know on this thread.


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    I get the information from one of the crew at my station that do concrete work on his day off. He said that i need to use a concrete leveling kit with polybond if possible . Anything that has sand is not gonna work. It just gonna make a rough texture appearance. And yes stadry , I have listened to your advised. I bought the cement all, use 2 bags, and the product came out the same as the one I use before which is quikrete resurfacer. I need one that is o" -1" not more. The rest of the products you've mentioned is not available at hd or lowes. Even sakrete flo.coat coat is not available.

    Stand by..I'll post pic of the surface that I covered with cement all.

    This is not gonna be the final product surface. I'll epoxy coat it as the end product.
     
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    This white spot, rougher texture is the one I covered with cement all... The other one with the leveling kit. Total bags used 6. 180 bucks total. How much does you guys charge to do that in my garage..so arnd 300 Sq feet.

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