General overhaul...ongoing(pix!!!)

Discussion in 'General Home Improvement Discussion' started by Phatboy, Sep 25, 2007.

  1. Sep 25, 2007 #1

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    Well I am a new member here, and the way I figure it, I should just lay it all out there. My wife and I just bought a new home, well new to us. We hadn't signed the papers for more than 3 hours, and she tore a wall down.(Yes I checked for load bearing, it wasnt) Im sure we will get some flack for jumping in there and just tearing stuff out, but we know what we want in this space, and the way it was...was not it.

    So here are the general pics of our new 7 acres, 3 ponds, and 1200sqft ranch. We are currently renovating the kitchen, dinning area, and only bath. A 2nd bath in the master suite will be added later.

    If these are the wrong size please let me know. I know some forums have a size limit and things like that. These are 800x600.

    Here are two panoramics of the front and back. Click the links, they are sized wierd.

    http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r117/phatboydime/frontpanoramic.jpg
    http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r117/phatboydime/backpanoramic.jpg

    Here is a birds eye view of what we got.
    [​IMG]

    Front carport and porch that we arent fond of, but can change later.
    [​IMG]


    So sorry this was longwinded, but I hope you guys/gals can help us along with questions we may have, as well as enjoy a renovation through us without the cost, labor, or frustrations that were gonna have. All you have to do is wait and we will do the rest.
     
    zannej likes this.
  2. Sep 25, 2007 #2

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    Front view
    [​IMG]

    Side workshop, which is also gonna end up as my 67 mustangs home.
    [​IMG]

    Kim standing inside the workshop. Its much cleaner now. Yes we are young 24/23 to be exact.
    [​IMG]
     
  3. Sep 25, 2007 #3

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    This is the kitchen before the PO moved out. Trust me youll see its different now.
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    That wall had to go!!!!!!!!!!!
    [​IMG]
     
  4. Sep 25, 2007 #4

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    This was on the other side.
    [​IMG]

    You can sortov see the lack of a wall, and the newfound openness.
    [​IMG]

    Woot open floor plans rock the cat box.
    [​IMG]
     
  5. Sep 25, 2007 #5

    inspectorD

    inspectorD

    inspectorD

    Housebroken Staff Member Admin Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2005
    Messages:
    4,503
    Likes Received:
    267
    That's the way to pull up a chair.:D
    Looks like you are in for the long haul...with plenty of projects,and honey do lists.
    Fire away anytime with some questions...everyone loves to help.;)
     
  6. Sep 25, 2007 #6

    Daryl in Nanoose

    Daryl in Nanoose

    Daryl in Nanoose

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2006
    Messages:
    769
    Likes Received:
    9
    sounds like and looks like you got your hands full but also looks like you are going to have a lot of fun doing. Fire away at those questions, lots of good advice around here.
     
  7. Sep 25, 2007 #7

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    Well so far so good. We ran into a couple of problems today. First off in one of the pics posted below, you can see that on the double door setup, the left door does not have a header. The other door does. I want to tear all that out and rebuild a new proper header above both doors, and open that entire throughway up. How far should my headers extend past the outermost door frames, or should they stop at the double studs? Here are more pics.

    Almost all the credit for this goes to the wife. Shes been bustin her *** while Ive been at work. Enough talk heres the pics!

    They pressure washed the workshop. Its acctually cedar siding so thats gonna stay. Looks alot better, no?
    [​IMG]

    Took the upper cabinets off the wall, see the grease. Started taking out the countertop. Might use that in the workshop.
    [​IMG]


    Better shot of the pure nastyness. Bonafied dirty right there(no range vent period!!!)
    [​IMG]

    All cabinets, counter tops, sink, and other **** gone...gettin more open eh.
    [​IMG]
     
    zannej likes this.
  8. Sep 25, 2007 #8

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    As you can see the header that is above the other door does not extend to this door even though this is a load bearing wall...Problem #1 install proper header. That center post area is goin away and that will be a open walkthrough.
    [​IMG]


    Better shot of teh lack of a header.
    [​IMG]

    Anything missin here...oh yeah insulations out. In the back right you can kinda see where they used to have a window unit A/C. You can tell by the badly done A/C support that this kitchen didnt always exist. [​IMG]

    Better shot of the super strong A/C unit support structure. Im sure I should sister in some good studs here, or should I just replace these all together?
    [​IMG]
     
  9. Sep 25, 2007 #9

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    Hrm lemme think...ITS FRIGGIN BURNING THE WALL...DONT USE IT ANYMORE!
    [​IMG]

    This wall is completely SCREWED, and I dont mean wood screws. Its separated at the bottom about 3 inches, and the insulation was just open to the ground, not only that they used roofing tin as siding, and it was not sealed at all. No house wrap, no plastic, nothing. Problem #2, install house wrap on all walls, floor, and celing. Rebuild wall outside dinning area, and bathroom. Replace tin with proper siding and exterior grade ply, and for Gods sake pull the wall back to the house, and secure it. There was burnt insulation, and animals in here. This house was a dry winter day from goin up in flames.
    [​IMG]


    Better shot of the wall that will get replaced.
    [​IMG]

    And that is all for now. Im off tomorrow and wednesday, much progress to be made. Its gettin rough measured for new cabinets tomorrow, as well as getting all the remnants of insulation out. Getting that window out, and starting on the wall to be removed. What do you think? Doing pretty good for amateures. I know the rebuild is what counts.
     
  10. Sep 25, 2007 #10

    glennjanie

    glennjanie

    glennjanie

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Messages:
    2,990
    Likes Received:
    4
    Welcome Phatboy and Kim:
    We are all excited about the projects you have brought up; can't wait to get started.
    1. The door header; I understand you are going to make the two doors into one wide opening. You are correct in saying the header should extend to the cripple stud on each side of the opening. The cripple is two studs nailed together with one of them cut down to where the header will rest; usually 81 to 83 inches, depending on the type of frame to be used and your preference. You will also need some short block, studs on top of the header.
    2. Yes, the wood burning stove was a hazard. However, it can be reinstalled safely and save you lots of money, if your wood supply is free.
    3. The A/C cut out should be replaced completly with new studs.
    Keep firing the pictures at us; we love them, it makes it so much easier to answer any questions.
    Glenn
     
  11. Sep 26, 2007 #11

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    Lots of things happened today. 4 runs to the parish dump, and alot more teardown, and alot more problem discovery. Thank you for that information Glennjanie. Very informative, as far as the stove goes, it was too far gone, but I wish we could have kept it. My real name is Logan JSYK, but I dont mind Phatboy. Obviously...sorry its late.

    The representative(my former step father), for the cabinet making company stopped by today to take some rough measurements. Looks like we are going with a natural maple cabinet, with corian countertops. Most likely the countertops are going to look like a poured concrete, but that could change. Deffinitly going to have a lazy suzan, and a two door pantry. We also decided to use a charcoal range hood with an incorporated microwave. They will have a 6inch void at the top where we will be installing some low wattage mood lighting. Yes kitchens can be sexy and functional at the same time. He told us that it could be upwards of a 500 dollar difference between finished and unfinished. We're finishing them ourselves...nuff said. Here are the pics.

    You can see the large hole where this wall separated, and my wifes lovely self.
    [​IMG]

    Found this little guy above the back door behind the insulation. We accidently killed its eggs, but there are tons of these around so Im sure we didnt hurt the population.
    [​IMG]

    AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh. Clean...much better. Lots more work to do.
    [​IMG]

    This is what was under the toilet, the doggon thing wasnt even bolted down properly, not to mention they used the tub surround as a trash can. These people were disgusting. I wont tell you what we found.
    [​IMG]
     
  12. Sep 26, 2007 #12

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    Attic access. Its about 1.5ft sq...thats gettin changed. Stairs goin in. This was above the tub, which by the way is getting moved.
    [​IMG]

    You can see some of the crappy work here. The walls for the bathroom were built on top of the subfloor, ok no problem, they are completely inside the outter wall of the house. Hes loosing half a SQFT of space per linear foot here. What the heck man. The carnage from the other wall with the hole, continues behind the outside bathroom walls. After we get a new header put on the outtermost wall of the house, we will remove all the inside walls, and subfloor, and start over. Gimmie our space back dangit.
    [​IMG]

    The HVAC unit was installed 2 years ago, and left just like this. The drain did go out the side of the house, but it leaked on the floor also. Why would a a/c drain have a P-trap installed? Is it needed, and can I omit that little token of terror. It was causing the drip pan inside the unit to over flow.
    [​IMG]

    And this is how it sat as we left tonight. Going to town tomorrow to get some lumber, and make another dump run. Yay...gettin to the time to start building back up.
    [​IMG]

    Wish us luck. More pics and progress tomorrow night. Thanks for watching ''This young couples new house!'' Ahha, I crack me up.
     
    zannej likes this.
  13. Sep 27, 2007 #13

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    Today was a good day for progress. Acctually started rebuilding some of the frame. I have a migrain so Itll just be mostly pics for tonight. We decided to demo the outside wall today and replace that. Most of the day was spent on doing that, and reframing the dining area wall. My new air nailers are not here yet, so I used 3in wood screws to hold it all together today. I must have run 150 of them damn things, my drill got a workout, and so did I. Anyhwo heres pics.

    Well we decided to rip down that tin siding, and so we did.
    [​IMG]

    There was 3/4 particle board behind the tin. You can see about a foot of water damage at the bottom of that. Kim took that out with a big mallet.
    [​IMG]

    Were going for a very open floor plan as you can see. LOL
    [​IMG]

    From the other side
    [​IMG]
     
  14. Sep 27, 2007 #14

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    This is the original wall and header, if you can call it that...
    [​IMG]

    This is my new header work, its a triple with 2 2x10s and a 2x4 for bracing. I had to do it that way. I didnt wanna lap joint the studs, but it was all I could do. The outside 2x10 was nailed to the outside of the 4x4 posts. Its rediculously strong trust me.
    [​IMG]

    And...drumrolll..................................here is my handy work. The window is the same size and height as the one in the kitchen and will center the dinning table.
    [​IMG]

    I have to pick up a low velocity gun tomorrow to set the lower 2x4 onto the slab. Oh and that bottom one is treated as well. How does it look? Kim kicked it and it kicked her back...LOL It wont wiggle more than a 8th of an inch in any direction.
     
    zannej likes this.
  15. Sep 27, 2007 #15

    glennjanie

    glennjanie

    glennjanie

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Messages:
    2,990
    Likes Received:
    4
    Hey Logan and Kim:
    The work is looking good! I'm glad you can take it on while you are young, with endless energy; my projects take a lot longer.
    The p-trap is needed on the A/C unit to keep bugs out, although I would have put it outside and used a running trap. It keeps the bugs from camping out in the line and the running trap is smoother for easier cleaning. You can just hook up your shop vac from the outside and give it a big suck; zap the bugs are gone.
    Treated wood on the slab is best, you seem to be very well prepared.
    Glenn
     
  16. Sep 28, 2007 #16

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    Thanks for the kind words. We are amateurs for sure, but I work at home depot so Im exposed to alot of great information all day. My wife bought us a book called ''The big how-to book'' It has tons of info and pics to look at to make sure your doing the job right. We have refered to said book alot so far, and Im sure we will continue that trend.

    I dont know so much about endless energy.:p Im feeling the effects of a 2day straight sprint on the house still today. It does help though that we can keep pushing ourselves without much worry. My wife is a driving force behind this storm.

    I dont know what a running trap is, but I will research that. The way our drain is setup it has a 3ft drop from the unit to the ground. Wouldnt this work like a p-trap, or does it need the down-over-up to retain some water as a blockage for said bugs, and snakes in our case.

    I knew treated should go on the slab, and now that I look back I should have put a double stud horizontal under the window. We are using lightweight aluminum windows though so we should be ok for weight.

    I am going to brace the wall with a diagonal 2x4 running from the top left corner to the bottom right corner. I have been told this will reduce twisting, just incase another Katrina comes our way.

    We also plan to install hurricane straps on the roof joists, and tie them into the exterior wall headers. Found out last night that we need to install a larger ridge cap, ours only has a hangover of about 1.5in so rain can blow back into the house, and it has. We cannot hang any new drywall or anything till this has been corrected.

    I also broke the water supply last night while removing the subfloor, that took most of the evening to fix, so no pics today. Ill get more this evening and post them tonight.

    Logan
     
  17. Sep 28, 2007 #17

    glennjanie

    glennjanie

    glennjanie

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Messages:
    2,990
    Likes Received:
    4
    Hello Logan and Kim:
    With your condensate line running straight down a 'running trap' will not work; it would be wise to keep the P-trap. You could replace the first elbow in the trap with a tee and leave the top open so it could be blown out with the vacum cleaner. If you are afraid it will run over on the floor you could use some clear plastic hose in the top of the tee to see when it is overflowing. Install the hose with silicone sealant just like you would use pipe cement. Hang in there my friends.
    Glenn
     
  18. Sep 28, 2007 #18

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Phatboy

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    28
    I think I worded that incorrectly about the condensation line. It does go from the unit to the ground, but then it also has a 90 that takes it out of the house. That line is close to parallel with the foundation, it does have a slight down grade to it. That line is also about 10ft long. Could I use a running trap on the end that sticks out the house, and eleminate the trap inside the house?

    You have been most helpfull my friend. Ill be sure to keep updateing, even if it is only for you. :D
     
  19. Oct 4, 2007 #19

    gwliston

    gwliston

    gwliston

    Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2007
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Way cool - great progress! Keep posting your lessons-learned and photos.

    'nuther Glenn
     
  20. Oct 4, 2007 #20

    glennjanie

    glennjanie

    glennjanie

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Messages:
    2,990
    Likes Received:
    4
    Hello Logan and Kim:
    Yes, you certainly can put the running trap on the end of the horizontal line. Its the best place for it, so it can keep insects out. Insects are the number one problem with condensate line blockage.
    The running trap is simply a piece of pipe that has a dip in it to catch some water and keep the bugs out.
    Glenn
     

Share This Page