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One thing that's hard to fathom is why someone would come into the chit-chat area to say they don't like it, or that it shouldn't be here. After all it was their choice to enter and at times they join the discussion before beginning to whine.
 

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I don't know if servicing EV's has been discussed... One post in the comments for the article is as follows... "If you are thinking of a Tesla, be aware that SERVICE is often VERY difficult to get. I have to wait about a MONTH for a Tesla service no matter how simple the problem. Many problems simply are not solvable by local service particularly problems involving software causing sudden braking, and the so called "Full Self Driving" problems are not even addressable at present. We owners hope this will improve VERY soon!"

As far as Tesla, lets take a "cheap one" at 50 Large... I just figured my weekly grocery trip in with my current car at a *hopefully* not ever existent $10 a gallon... I used to drive for fun, now it's 100% business, just what needs to happen and nothing more... For just the base cost of 50 Large for a Tesla, not including ANYTHING else, I can drive said shopping trips in an ICE car at $10 per gallon for 48 years, which will be well past my allowed driving time anyway.

Ok, let's cut that in half for an "Econ" EV at 25 Large... 24 Years. That would be great, except then comes in the replacement battery and the charging and the service and the parts, which would probably make it a 60 Large car at the end.

Every possible scenario I run on EV's falls flat on it's face. Even if I was a Multi Millionaire... Refer to the quote above.

The video is from Bainbridge Island, WA, close to where I grew up... People there can buy a Tesla for every day of the week, so the accuracy of the demand is just that.

So do you suppose that people went through the same math when cars were fist beginning to be mainstream? What a stupid idea! I can by 100 bales of hay and 10 horses before it would be close to the cost of a car! And service! I would have to go clear over to Springfield to find a guy that can work on the darn thing. And then I'd probably have to tow it with my horse! The automobile will never make sense, it's a lark, a rich man's folly! Think a conversation like that ever happened? I can easily imagine it yet here we are.
 

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One thing that's hard to fathom is why someone would come into the chit-chat area to say they don't like it, or that it shouldn't be here. After all it was their choice to enter and at times they join the discussion before beginning to whine.
I'm not whining. You can post what you want. I'm not trying to censor anyone. However, I find on the general chit chat page people will say things to other posters they'd never say face to face. It then spills over into the other posts when people are asking for advice. The theme of this site is home improvement not politics. Many can't seem to discuss politics without getting in the other persons virtual face. IMHO the general chit chat thread doesn't improve the home improvement theme of the site. If it weren't for the way I access new posts I'd never see it. I don't scroll down through all the various sub headings looking for new posts, I just use the "What's New" button to bring all the new posts into one place. I ignore most of the general chit chat posts.
 

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So do you suppose that people went through the same math when cars were fist beginning to be mainstream? What a stupid idea! I can by 100 bales of hay and 10 horses before it would be close to the cost of a car! And service! I would have to go clear over to Springfield to find a guy that can work on the darn thing. And then I'd probably have to tow it with my horse! The automobile will never make sense, it's a lark, a rich man's folly! Think a conversation like that ever happened? I can easily imagine it yet here we are.
Weren't you alive back then? You're seriously comparing a time long ago to now, when the price of a new Tesla battery pack that has an 8 year warranty is $17,000, almost the price of a Subaru WHOLE CAR? That $17,000 will be $25,000 before the Obama admin is kicked to the curb. JUST the battery!!!
 

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I'm not whining. You can post what you want. I'm not trying to censor anyone. However, I find on the general chit chat page people will say things to other posters they'd never say face to face. It then spills over into the other posts when people are asking for advice. The theme of this site is home improvement not politics. Many can't seem to discuss politics without getting in the other persons virtual face. IMHO the general chit chat thread doesn't improve the home improvement theme of the site. If it weren't for the way I access new posts I'd never see it. I don't scroll down through all the various sub headings looking for new posts, I just use the "What's New" button to bring all the new posts into one place. I ignore most of the general chit chat posts.
Why wouldn't people talk about politics to another person face to face? That makes no sense.
 

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Weren't you alive back then? You're seriously comparing a time long ago to now, when the price of a new Tesla battery pack that has an 8 year warranty is $17,000, almost the price of a Subaru WHOLE CAR? That $17,000 will be $25,000 before the Obama admin is kicked to the curb. JUST the battery!!!
No that was before my time. What I am getting at is that with any significant technological change there are plant of nay sayers. You are also taking costs for a young product still rapidly developing. As I said before, remember when a VHS player cost $600? That was in the 70's, who would ever be so dumb to buy one? Yet 20 years later and the we're dirt cheap and everyone had one. Of course 20 years later there we extinct. So yes an EV doesn't seem like a good value today, I don't want one yet. But there are always the early adopters that want the latest gadget. I think we are just barely past that point now since the large manufacturers are now offering options. Wait another 10 years and see what it looks like.

I get your point, this is a DYI site so I think by our nature we are cheapskates so the first reaction is to do the math, doesn't add up when I compare it to my old reliable 19xx whatever. But to dismiss the whole EV concept as a farce based on that math assumes a static world. But todat you're right no EV for me for a good while. I bought a new truck and a new SUV in the last 2 years so I'm set for some time to come.
 

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But you're comparing Kiwi fruits to Giant Pumpkins. The standard car battery is like 12" x 9" or something, while the Tesla batteries look like they are 4' x 4'. Will they eventually reduce the size? Maybe. Will they reduce the cost? No... At least not Tesla. Elon didn't become the richest in the land by selling stuff cheaply, even though almost everything he releases is *radio edit*.

Nothing is going down in price for Tesla, guaranteed. The dude is an extreme narcissist. Will the prices of other competitors come down if the tech changes and the battery is small as a briefcase? Probably not, since there will always be that demand for the latest and the greatest.

Your scenario would work for almost everything except EV. It's just not happening in our lifetimes because there is 8000 variables. It will kinda happen and sputter along, but regardless of everything, Oil comes back when Obama is gone. ICE vehicles aren't going anywhere.
 

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Why would EVs get any cheaper with time? ICE vehicles have moved out of my price range. Even a Jeep is over $50K and like pickups are no longer small easily maneuvered vehicles. The Thar from India seems to be close to a CJ-5 reset. I don't know if it's available in the US yet or what its pricing is.

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It is the tone used, not the subject. They'll call each other things they'd never do in person.
I don't know what is ruffling your feathers that isn't affecting anybody else, but I can tell you're talking about me. Out with it.
 

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Why would EVs get any cheaper with time? ICE vehicles have moved out of my price range. Even a Jeep is over $50K and like pickups are no longer small easily maneuvered vehicles. The Thar from India seems to be close to a CJ-5 reset. I don't know if it's available in the US yet or what its pricing is.

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I built a Thar online with whatever options I picked for about $19K using a currency converter. Who knows how much to transport it to the states, and then to get it licensed, because you know any State will want to charge extra because it's right hand drive.

That being said, Jeep is utter garbage these days, in my opinion since Fiat took over. My Sister had a 2011 Grand Cherokee that was in the shop probably 10 times, 4 of the times they couldn't get parts, something to do with electric components... The headlight lamps were $300 each, the seats were like sitting on concrete... On and on...


 

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I don't know what is ruffling your feathers that isn't affecting anybody else, but I can tell you're talking about me. Out with it.
Nothing has ruffled my feathers. I do find a number of the conspiracy theory posts dumb beyond commenting. I've seen the animosity in some of the threads spill over into the home improvement threads. For the most part I just surf on by most of the general chit chat posts, sometimes shaking my head over the titles. But hey, you do you.
 

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Nothing has ruffled my feathers. I do find a number of the conspiracy theory posts dumb beyond commenting. I've seen the animosity in some of the threads spill over into the home improvement threads. For the most part I just surf on by most of the general chit chat posts, sometimes shaking my head over the titles. But hey, you do you.
Your feathers are ruffled because you're the only one that brings up "conspiracy theory posts" that you don't mention by subject but say that people wouldn't say those things to others in public. Why wouldn't people mention "conspiracy theories" to others in public? "Conspiracy theory" is just a Leftist term to describe a subject that they can't debate because they will lose. So, that's everything.
 
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