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That's awesome, Flyover!

I got woken up very early by Mom paging on the phone's intercom. Her bedroom doorknob broke and she couldn't get out of her room. Knob would just spin- something inside stripped. Fortunately, it could open from the outside so I opened it for her. Then I drove to the closest hardware store, grabbed the first (and only) privacy knob I could find, grabbed a screwdriver because I did not have the mental fortitude to look for screwdrivers in the house as I was feeling nauseous and tired. It's a magnetic one, which came in handy. Drove straight home, stepped over the cat who kept trying to trip me, took the old knob off while trying to keep cats out of the room, put new one on, realized it was backwards-- I think they assembled it wrong-- screws were on the wrong side. They should have been on the locking side but they were on the outside. So I flipped it around and got it tightened down. Now mom has a new shiny doorknob. I hope this one doesn't break. Weird thing was that the plate that goes over the latch was missing. Not sure if it was supposed to come with it, but the plate from the old latch was welded on so I couldn't pull it off. Knob that broke was at least 40 years old. I'd been wanting to replace it because the finish was peeling off and it felt awful to touch.

One of the reasons I don't eat breakfast is that I feel nauseous if I wake up too early. Gonna try to nap again if the cats will let me.
 

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Yesterday I was stung by a carpenter bee. I didn't know they stung but learned that females do. It was mild and only stung for a little while. Today the skin has a blush around the spot.
 

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I've never been stung by one-- probably just jinxed myself. Sorry you got stung. Bee stings suck.
 

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My garage built by the last owner is framed with rough sawn hemlock and what ever else he could find. The carpenter bees have been a problem for a long time and I used to stand out there and wack them with a badminton racket as they hovered around they were non aggressive to me doing that. I read somewhere maybe here to take a brown paper bag and make it look like a wasp hive and hang it up, so I did and they left for a short time. I was planning on making those jar traps and never did. then last time I changed my oil the neighbor told me to spray it on the wood for the bees.

I filled up my primer paint gun and hooked to 100psi and fogged the whole ceiling. They left town and never came back. not sure if my garage wont go up in flames but the bees are gone.
 

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Two of the neighborhoods adjacent to mine are brand new, so lots of houses in various early stages of construction. I was taking the baby on a walk a few days ago and finally saw a worker who looked like he knew English (though the actual hurdle is probably just that I'm shy) and he started talking to me about the weather but I managed to turn it around and ask him what they do with the dumpsters full of scrap 2x4, whether some other company is possessive about it, etc. He said they don't care about it, that he takes wood home all the time, that nobody would care if I came and took some. I could hardly believe it, with lumber prices right now especially being what they are I assumed they'd figure out a systematic way to repurpose as much as they could, but I guess our society's capacity for waste is not to be underestimated.

I came back with the truck that same evening and drove around the development from dumpster to dumpster, grabbing just the few pieces of 2x4 (and some 3/4 OSB!) that I could reach from each one. If I saw anyone at a site I asked them for permission, which they always gave. After maybe 30 or 45 minutes I returned home with what must be about $200 worth of lumber. It was like something out of a dream. Might do another round this weekend. Will use it to build a compost bin and my garage workbench/shelving.
That's a good idea, and it's paid for by the buyers.
 

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That's a good idea, and it's paid for by the buyers.
Yeah I kinda feel bad for them. I talked to one elderly couple who were there taking pictures in their home that had just been framed and sheathed, and asked them if they'd mind if I took some scrap out of the huge dumpster out front. The man said he didn't mind but acted as if he didn't have the authority to say for sure. He apparently didn't realize he'd paid for all that material they were throwing away! It's his! There was easily $1000 of wood in that dumpster. Whole 12' lengths of 2x4 that wouldn't fit in my truck, 48x24 sheets of OSB with maybe just a little corner cut out, primed pine board, you name it.

Today I took the kids on a walk in that same neighborhood and the dumpsters were all full again, and my son asked me why they throw out so much material. I told him a lot of people have more money than sense. If I was the buyer of one of those homes I would be livid.
 

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Lumber is coming back down, but it will probably never be $2.20 for a framing / general purpose 2x4 ever again. While being a gopher on construction sites in the late 90's and 2000, I would put lumber in piles because there was no room in the dumpsters. On one site, they had what must have been a 16 foot dumpster that was filled when I got there, so I was told to just make a nice enough pile beside it.

I remember that exact site, it was a home that would be valued around 1M when finished, so about 10M in today's money. The supervisor told me it cost them about 100K for all the materials, and probably 4% was waste or so. I don't remember the exact specs, but a 2x4 must have been close to a buck if not cheaper.

Nobody even wanted it for firewood back then. When I get a shop built, I'm keeping everything.
 

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I'm a bit envious of all that free lumber. My landlord (before I built my house) was a builder. In fact the house I rented from him was built mostly from leftover material. He would haul scraps home from his latest jobsite for kindling or whatever. I had free access to the scraps and built many stools, small tables, shelves, bird feeders, bird houses and so on from that supply. I miss those days.

I have scrounged from dumpsters at business remodeling sites. Strip malls have businesses coming and going and get remodelled often. A good source if one doesn't mind removing some nails.
 

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Yeah I kinda feel bad for them. I talked to one elderly couple who were there taking pictures in their home that had just been framed and sheathed, and asked them if they'd mind if I took some scrap out of the huge dumpster out front. The man said he didn't mind but acted as if he didn't have the authority to say for sure. He apparently didn't realize he'd paid for all that material they were throwing away! It's his! There was easily $1000 of wood in that dumpster. Whole 12' lengths of 2x4 that wouldn't fit in my truck, 48x24 sheets of OSB with maybe just a little corner cut out, primed pine board, you name it.

Today I took the kids on a walk in that same neighborhood and the dumpsters were all full again, and my son asked me why they throw out so much material. I told him a lot of people have more money than sense. If I was the buyer of one of those homes I would be livid.
Yeah I kinda feel bad for them. I talked to one elderly couple who were there taking pictures in their home that had just been framed and sheathed, and asked them if they'd mind if I took some scrap out of the huge dumpster out front. The man said he didn't mind but acted as if he didn't have the authority to say for sure. He apparently didn't realize he'd paid for all that material they were throwing away! It's his! There was easily $1000 of wood in that dumpster. Whole 12' lengths of 2x4 that wouldn't fit in my truck, 48x24 sheets of OSB with maybe just a little corner cut out, primed pine board, you name it.

I kept all my scraps from when I had a home built in '94. It wasn't the easiest task, as there is a contractor who's job it is to clear the site, and I was taking money out his mouth. I used it in addition to some purchased material in building me a workshop. Throughout the years I've stopped by homebuilding worksites and grabbed lumber (sometimes with workers there, and sometimes without). For what it's worth, not all homeowners want their scrap wood, almost ALL contractors leave their sawhorses, and there's usually a lot of extra bricks (all that the subs don't take home to brick their own houses).

Pushing back a little on the idea of wastefulness, the builders routinely jettison warped, or loose 'fingered' studs. A lot of wood is almost impossible to not scrap when cutting tails, and birdseyes, and blocking for studs. Same goes with lumber used to prop up walls etc, and contractors must make sure that their framing is inspected and approved, and time waiting on that process is already money not well spent.

Great find though!
 

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1M when finished, so about 10M in today's money. The supervisor told me it cost them about 100K for all the materials, and probably 4% was waste
Even if that 4% refers to the 100k figure, that's four grand going into the trash. I think about what I could buy for $4000. Even if I was in a position to buy a 1m home, doesn't mean I like throwing away money. In fact it's likely if I got to that position it's in part because I got good at NOT throwing away money!

Now, I've never built a house so I don't know how much waste is inevitable, but A) I have to think with just a bit of care I could waste a lot less than 4% and B) if I was paying for it I'd buy a shed, put it on the property, and insist on them at least putting the scrap in there where I could use it later. Build a deck or another shed or a gazebo or something. In this kind of market could even sell some of it!
 

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Well, yeah. I agree, but the house was being built for a Microsoft executive, so it was probably akin to a vacation tree fort for his kids. I didn't even know what a Miter Saw was back then, the only use I had for the wood was a bonfire to sit around and drink.

When I have my shop built, I will tell the foreman that I'm taking all the scrap. I can put the useless stuff on Craigs as firewood for free and someone will be there that day. I can build tables out of 18" 2x4's, or even smaller for little kids or potted plant stands. They will sell, I have done it before.

My operational motto is Reduce Reuse Recycle, but the recycle part is almost impossible besides corrugated cardboard and glass.
 

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I built my house within walking distance of where I was renting on property purchased from my landlord. After I had all the stud walls in place and they were beginning to weather I hired my landlord and his son to put the roof on. His son looked at my scrap pile and told his dad, "There's not a piece of wood in that pile large enough to get another sawcut on."
 

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I couldn't resist. Went and grabbed a bunch of three-foot long 4x4 posts out of a dumpster. Probably $100 worth if it had been uncut of the same total length. Now I can build that bed frame I've been designing, and all I have to buy is the hardware so it can be disassembled. I need to build some stuff too, because I am out of room in my garage. But these dumpsters are just full of wood that's going to be thrown away, I can't stand it!!
 

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Installed my last Sharkbite fitting in the wall behind a WC. I will watch it for leaks for a few days then reinstall the 31" x 8' redwood wall panel and the WC. Today I am checking for leaks often and will prolly turn the water off tonight so I can sleep w/o concern. I hate plumbing and I have a mix of copper, CPVC and Sharkbite in that wall supplying a soak tub, a tub w/shower and the WC. The soak tub is in the master bath on the other side of the wall.
 

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Installed my last Sharkbite fitting in the wall behind a WC. I will watch it for leaks for a few days then reinstall the 31" x 8' redwood wall panel and the WC. Today I am checking for leaks often and will prolly turn the water off tonight so I can sleep w/o concern. I hate plumbing and I have a mix of copper, CPVC and Sharkbite in that wall supplying a soak tub, a tub w/shower and the WC. The soak tub is in the master bath on the other side of the wall.
I have had Pex leak, mostly user error of course, but have never seen Sharkbite leak. Once it's ALL Sharkbite and there is no Pex crimping, I will love plumbing.

What's a WC?
 

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Started building my compost bin yesterday. Got the frame and lid done, now just need to cover the sides/back and add the sliding part at the front. (Not sure if I have enough scrap board...otherwise it's back to the dumpsters for me! Which I have to admit I'm kind of hoping for...) Excited to stop throwing compostable material in the trash.
 

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