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Good reason, but knowing about the dangers of MRNA, I assume you won't do that again?
I would in a heart beat!

I don't have any negative feeling about anyone whether they got vaccinated or whether they did not.
To me, that is a very good attitude to have! I appreciate people who feel that way.

This is a free country. People should make their own choices. I know some people who won't get vaccinated because they feel it is a government intrusion. Some feel vaccines are fake or a waste of time. Some feel that the vaccine is dangerous. Some I know can't get vaccinated for faith based reasons. And some people get vaccinated.

It's not our right to judge any of these people nor their choices.

We all get to make our own decisions and must do our best to make proper decisions for those in our care, such as children.

Paul
PS: For the record, I get vaccines and updates when appropriate.
 
Good reason, but knowing about the dangers of MRNA, I assume you won't do that again?

I know they use PAA, a mix between Vinegar and Peroxide for Chicken in some plants. I also know some use Chlorine. The problem is you don't know which until you have purchased it.

Exactly. Even if I'm not around anybody, I spray my hands with Vinegar or Peroxide after blowing my nose or sneezing... I'm not a Germophobe, but am averse to other people's nastiness thanks to getting a face full of Raw sewage in Iraq... The rest of my time there, I was known as Sergeant S Lips...
I have been in dozens of meat processing plants, mainly poultry. Peroxyacetic acid, PAA was only used in a few but that was 10 years ago. By far the majority use chlorine. Our product was a food grade acid product and I would work with plants to slightly acidify their process water. Having a pH about 5 - 5.5 make the chlorine take the form of hypochloris acid which has far better antimicrobial capability, almost instant kill. Max total chlorine level in process water is 50ppm.

In fresh cut produce PAA is more popular for some reason. The efficacy is questionable, just look at all the problems with ecoli, salmonella and the like in lettuce, onions, etc.. I have been in a few freshcut plants to look at replacing PAA. Another option is just low pH. If you drop the pH below about 4.5 everything dies. That's how they make a lot of stuff shelf stable these days. They key is to lower the pH without adversely affecting the taste. I've help on a lot of studies and trials for food sanitation in food processing. Plants spend a lot of time, effort, and money trying to meet FDA and USDA requirements.
 
To me, that is a very good attitude to have! I appreciate people who feel that way.

This is a free country. People should make their own choices. I know some people who won't get vaccinated because they feel it is a government intrusion. Some feel vaccines are fake or a waste of time. Some feel that the vaccine is dangerous. Some I know can't get vaccinated for faith based reasons. And some people get vaccinated.

It's not our right to judge any of these people nor their choices.

We all get to make our own decisions and must do our best to make proper decisions for those in our care, such as children.

Paul
PS: For the record, I get vaccines and updates when appropriate.
Do you get a lot of people yelling at you because you are Pro Shot? Can't call it a Vaccine because it isn't one. I state my opinions to Adults and they can make their own minds up.
 
I have been in dozens of meat processing plants, mainly poultry. Peroxyacetic acid, PAA was only used in a few but that was 10 years ago. By far the majority use chlorine. Our product was a food grade acid product and I would work with plants to slightly acidify their process water. Having a pH about 5 - 5.5 make the chlorine take the form of hypochloris acid which has far better antimicrobial capability, almost instant kill. Max total chlorine level in process water is 50ppm.

In fresh cut produce PAA is more popular for some reason. The efficacy is questionable, just look at all the problems with ecoli, salmonella and the like in lettuce, onions, etc.. I have been in a few freshcut plants to look at replacing PAA. Another option is just low pH. If you drop the pH below about 4.5 everything dies. That's how they make a lot of stuff shelf stable these days. They key is to lower the pH without adversely affecting the taste. I've help on a lot of studies and trials for food sanitation in food processing. Plants spend a lot of time, effort, and money trying to meet FDA and USDA requirements.
That's too bad they don't use PAA. I don't know how bacteria could survive Peroxide or Vinegar, that doesn't make sense to me. I have gotten a nice whiff of Chlorine several times with Fresh Chicken in the past, but have thawed out Frozen with no scent.

I didn't know Bacteria dies with a low PH, considering that Cancer thrives. You can kill Cancer cells by consuming Baking Soda mixed with Maple Syrup. The Cancer is attracted to it's main fuel source of Glucose and gobbles it up along with the High Alkaline Baking Soda that's the Trojan Horse, which is an instant Kill.
 
Ya'll, i woke up a couple of times to what sounded like a cat scratching a litter box..... which was disorienting at first since I don't have a cat. Once I woke up this morning, I realized it was a rat. I've had about a 2 week reprieve from the dumb thing.
Anyways, I was sitting her trying to wake up fully and the scratching began, then I could see movement in te crack of the drywall, so..... noe I am pondering wether to tape/mud or replace that piece again.... I'm sick of this thing.... beyond sick of it.
I have kept the electric traps and live trap out, so I re-baited with fresh peanut butter and raisins.

Anyways.... evidence the rat left, then I threw a pen in that direction and it left. It was perfectly fine with me yelling, so I would think that it's been here for a while and used to our voices.20241229_100050.jpg
 
So, I went out to my garage earlier to look for something and saw a rodent butt and tail run away, I honestly am not sure if it was a rat or mouse, although I am leaning more toward rat- probably out of paranoia.
The contraption that I have come up with will probably ly not work for rats, but it will for mice and I am just going to be hopeful with a rat being caught, or a rat baby or whatever.
But this is what I came up with.
Peanutbutter on the roller and then some peanut butter and birdseed on either side of the plate. Then I filled the bucket with 8 inches of water, and put my new camera out in the garage with it. I moved the cinderblocks far enough away I hope, as well as anything close to the bucket. Hopeful that it kills rats and mice.
It still rotates nicely with the plate attatched
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I hope the trap works, Shan.

Been raining a lot here. Briefly went over to take some GRK structural screws to my friend so he could reinforce a door frame on the workshop at the place he's trying to buy. Inspector will be back on Jan 8th and hopefully everything will pass. All the debris is cleaned up, nesting boxes have been moved to the barn, the one door that needed to be fixed has been fixed. The busted up additions to the workshop are gone. Inside of the house is all cleaned up over there.

Need to work on cleaning up here but I'm waiting for the pepto to kick in.

As an aside, my brother made a version of a family recipe from Mom's side of the family. Chicken paprikash soup. Apparently at some point in history, the starting P was pronounced with a B. So my mother's grandmother called it Buppergosh instead of paprikash. It's not easy to find the Hungarian sweet paprika that we used to get. It's much easier to make the stuff in a pressure cooker. We just cut up a bunch of boneless skinless chicken thighs, add some chicken broth and seasonings (including sweet paprika), some veggies, and then it takes about an hour (counting pressurizing, cooking, and depressurizing). We were lazy and got the frozen peas and carrots mixes for veggies. Still need to figure out how to make the drop noodles. They are sort of like dumplings.
 
So, I went out to my garage earlier to look for something and saw a rodent butt and tail run away, I honestly am not sure if it was a rat or mouse, although I am leaning more toward rat- probably out of paranoia.
The contraption that I have come up with will probably ly not work for rats, but it will for mice and I am just going to be hopeful with a rat being caught, or a rat baby or whatever.
But this is what I came up with.
Peanutbutter on the roller and then some peanut butter and birdseed on either side of the plate. Then I filled the bucket with 8 inches of water, and put my new camera out in the garage with it. I moved the cinderblocks far enough away I hope, as well as anything close to the bucket. Hopeful that it kills rats and mice.
It still rotates nicely with the plate attatched
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Perfect I was going to suggest something like that but didn't know if you'd be into it since you had been using live traps. I made a couple of those for chipmunk control. I call it the bucket of death. They work and there are many variations. My wife isn't a big fan I have to use it when she's out of town.
 
I have been in dozens of meat processing plants, mainly poultry. Peroxyacetic acid, PAA was only used in a few but that was 10 years ago. By far the majority use chlorine. Our product was a food grade acid product and I would work with plants to slightly acidify their process water. Having a pH about 5 - 5.5 make the chlorine take the form of hypochloris acid which has far better antimicrobial capability, almost instant kill. Max total chlorine level in process water is 50ppm.

In fresh cut produce PAA is more popular for some reason. The efficacy is questionable, just look at all the problems with ecoli, salmonella and the like in lettuce, onions, etc.. I have been in a few freshcut plants to look at replacing PAA. Another option is just low pH. If you drop the pH below about 4.5 everything dies. That's how they make a lot of stuff shelf stable these days. They key is to lower the pH without adversely affecting the taste. I've help on a lot of studies and trials for food sanitation in food processing. Plants spend a lot of time, effort, and money trying to meet FDA and USDA requirements.
At the food manufacturing facilities to which I'd be sent as a skilled trade I would get to know the workers & supervisors and government inspectors. I would drive them nuts with questions (although I think they appreciated the interest).

I remember being told the PAA is far less expensive than hydrogen peroxide. It was considered safer than irradiation at the time. But, as 68BUcks mentioned, the efficacy is questionable unless used exactly as required for each and every product and the cut. The over-worked, no benefit minimum wage workers weren't all that concerned. Some customers required hydrogen peroxide. Others required lowest price.

Poultry processing & prep is not all that convincing. Then, with chicken, the "magic" happens to make the poultry a lovely shade of yellow. Dead chickens are grey, not yellow.

At home we thoroughly wash fresh poultry and let it air to hopefully dissipate residual chlorine. And, if it's not grey, we won't buy it.

Ground beef prcessing is just, plain nasty. One glaring example = Ammonia gas forced into water is added when the customer wants a longer shelf life for frozen. And whatever the chemical they use in the warm bath that spins the fat out smells like something that I would never eat. The drums and dispensing equipment has all kinds of warning labels about contact with eyes, skin and mouth. And, of course, the carbon dioxide tunnel for the lovely pink color is ridiculous.

After the fat is removed, fat is added back to the customer's specification. (80/20, 95/5, 70/30). No big deal except that fat isn;t necessarily the same age as the beef. Also, and I very much doubt that this is common practice, but a plant in which I worked would use the cheapest fat. Even pork was used if it was cheap. That is very unfair to people who keep Kosher or follow Halal guidelines. (Once they got caught adding kangaroo fat. Thankfully that train car load was destroyed before being sold.)

Mind you that USDA inspectors are on site during all beef processing.

I don't know if it is still legal, but meat processing plants could add trans fats to gorund beef. At the time it was the only food where trans fats were still allowed.

Beef? No Thanks.
Poultry? With knowledge
Fish? I don't want to know!
 
Do you get a lot of people yelling at you because you are Pro Shot?
Not so much. If the subject comes up, I answer objectively, not subjectively. Gotta keep things peaceful!

If someone wants to yell at me or call me stupid for getting the vaccine, that's their choice. I don't have to argue back.

And, most importantly I feel no right to judge anyone who doesn't want vaccines. We all have opinions and beliefs that differ from others. If everyone on Earth pulled in the same direction, soon the world would tip over!

Paul
 
At the food manufacturing facilities to which I'd be sent as a skilled trade I would get to know the workers & supervisors and government inspectors. I would drive them nuts with questions (although I think they appreciated the interest).

I remember being told the PAA is far less expensive than hydrogen peroxide. It was considered safer than irradiation at the time. But, as 68BUcks mentioned, the efficacy is questionable unless used exactly as required for each and every product and the cut. The over-worked, no benefit minimum wage workers weren't all that concerned. Some customers required hydrogen peroxide. Others required lowest price.

Poultry processing & prep is not all that convincing. Then, with chicken, the "magic" happens to make the poultry a lovely shade of yellow. Dead chickens are grey, not yellow.

At home we thoroughly wash fresh poultry and let it air to hopefully dissipate residual chlorine. And, if it's not grey, we won't buy it.

Ground beef prcessing is just, plain nasty. One glaring example = Ammonia gas forced into water is added when the customer wants a longer shelf life for frozen. And whatever the chemical they use in the warm bath that spins the fat out smells like something that I would never eat. The drums and dispensing equipment has all kinds of warning labels about contact with eyes, skin and mouth. And, of course, the carbon dioxide tunnel for the lovely pink color is ridiculous.

After the fat is removed, fat is added back to the customer's specification. (80/20, 95/5, 70/30). No big deal except that fat isn;t necessarily the same age as the beef. Also, and I very much doubt that this is common practice, but a plant in which I worked would use the cheapest fat. Even pork was used if it was cheap. That is very unfair to people who keep Kosher or follow Halal guidelines. (Once they got caught adding kangaroo fat. Thankfully that train car load was destroyed before being sold.)

Mind you that USDA inspectors are on site during all beef processing.

I don't know if it is still legal, but meat processing plants could add trans fats to gorund beef. At the time it was the only food where trans fats were still allowed.

Beef? No Thanks.
Poultry? With knowledge
Fish? I don't want to know!
Poultry skin color is mainly due to breed. Most commercial birds and Cornish cross hybrid. They grow really fast, most birds are a 5-6 week grow out. They are white skin from beginning to end, which they have determined the retail buyer prefers. Some of the birds I have raised at home have yellow skin, some white. There are bird breeds that have black skin. I have never seen a bird go through the picker one color and come out of the final step a different color. I have seen literally multiple millions of dead chickens. The average plant does 250,000/ day with the largest I've seen doing 500,000/day.

Plants have to pass Kosher and Halal inspections and they aren't free. Even our chemical plant had to pass those inspections annually. I was only ever in 1 Kosher poultry plant, in Pennsylvania. It's quite a bit different and I doubt plants are passing off unapproved birds, too much to risk. Get caught and you'll never get the business back. In Kosher processing a Rabbi cuts the throat of every single bird with a knife by hand. After picking and evisceration the carcass is rolled in salt and set on a conveyor line for a certain time to remove blood, then dropped in the chill tank to cool. From there it's all about the same. The line is slower, about 100 birs/min. Most plants run about 140 birds/min per line.

BTW ammonia is injected into water with chlorine to form chloramine. It's a more stable form of chlorine but not as quick of a kill. It's also common in municipal treatment systems. If it gets volatilized into the air it really burns your eyes. Residual chlorine on a bird is consumed pretty quick. Organic material will consume chlorine pretty quick. That's where most plants have trouble maintaining free chlorine in the water because of all the organic load. That's when they have trouble failing microbial testing, and they do a lot of it all day every day. Chlorine is very reactive so it will be present in many different forms hence the odor.
The only beef plant I was in was supposed to be the biggest in the US in Souix City, NE. 5000 head a day they said. Wow. Meat processing is a hard, dirty job. Lots of nasty stuff on a huge scale. 75% of the workforce is non English speaking at most plants with management being 75% of those.

As far a USDA inspectors the plant pays for them and there are a lot of them. They hold a lot of power over the operation and they use it. They will absolutely shut a line down. If you think it's a handshake wink wink relationship I assure you it isn't. Some are good to work with but a lot of them are total a holes. Like you I always enjoyed talking with them and asking questions.

One funny thing, when we were doing our work some plants couldn't use chlorine. They exported to Russia and they didn't allow chlorine. I don't know about now or the rest of Europe. I do know in Europe the mainly use air chillers instead of water chill tanks. I was in 1 plant in Iowa like that. They also marketed a yellow bird as a thing. Don't know what breed they used but they came in yellow and left yellow.
 
Perfect I was going to suggest something like that but didn't know if you'd be into it since you had been using live traps. I made a couple of those for chipmunk control. I call it the bucket of death. They work and there are many variations. My wife isn't a big fan I have to use it when she's out of town.
Yes, i am not opposed to rodent death. They are nasty dirty creatures.

My mouse count for this season is already at 30, I am sooooo sick of rodents.
I have also managed to nearly trap 1 rat 4 times, or 4 rats 1 time or a similar combo.

I'm definitely at my wits end. Ready to throw everything away, stay in a hotel or air bnb for 2 weeks and set out poison...... I can't though, because my puppers might try to eat them.
 
We all have opinions and beliefs that differ from others. If everyone on Earth pulled in the same direction, soon the world would tip over!

Paul
Well, I don't know about the World tipping over, but Islands can, according to a Congressman that keeps getting elected despite not knowing that Islands are attached to the Earth.

 
Well, I don't know about the World tipping over, but Islands can, according to a Congressman that keeps getting elected despite not knowing that Islands are attached to the Earth.


Right up there with space lasers and government controlling the weather. Who keeps voting for those people?
 
This, in a nutshell, is what he's referring too; https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/okeanos/explorations/ex1605/background/geology/welcome.html

And, while it won't occur in any of our lifetimes, TECTONICS, can have a sobering effect.
No, listen to him. He doesn't have the Intelligence to be talking about that. He's talking about a bunch of Marines being deployed to the Island and how the extra weight could capsize the Island... That is attached to the Earth.... Like permanently.
 
However, he's filling his elected purpose, which is to create another series of forms to be filled out, and another agency, requiring additional gov. employees.

There is also a trump adviser, advocating for the purchase of Greenland, and including it in Alaska.

Talk about no land bridge.
 
So...... I applied to be a Spark driver (walmart deliveries) about a year ago, got a text a few weeks ago to finish the process, then forgot to fi ish it. Fast forward to several days ago, I finished it. And I was supposed to potentially be able to start later this week. However, I got a notification from them earlier today, finished everything up and did 2 shop to delivery orders this evening. Made $33, drove a total of 14 miles, and then there is a $9 tip potentially (you have 24 hours to modify/remove tips) i spent a total of 2 hours doing it. Not to shabby.



Hooe everyone has a good New Years! I will probably be asleep before the ball drops, as I usually am every year.
 
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