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Are these contractors roofers, dry wallers, or whatnot? I never see services I get in the "junk mails" anything about ceiling installers. It's always windows, carpets, roofing and siding.

The basement bedroom's ceiling partially collapsed. It's either due to old age of the house or termites. How can I find a contractor that can install a new ceiling in Maryland?
 
Sometimes, just asking your neighbors, who may have had repairs accomplished, is a source.

Asking any general contractor, however some shy away from small projects, but may refer you.

There may also be some handy-man services offered via some social media sites.
 
Local House of Worship weekly bulletins are a good source for small job contractors. Look for drywall, plaster or carpentry people. Some painters do this work, too.

I don't know about other denominations, but most Roman Catholic churches have bulletins with lots of sponsoring ads by contractors. Many bulletins can be viewed on the parish web site. I found the world's best tree service from one of those bulletins.

The order desk at the local lumber yard (not home center) may provide referrals. Those guys typically know who is good and who is flaky.

Be sure whomever you hire is insured both for your and for the contractor's protection.

Paul
 
That's good to know.

Before the ceiling in the basement bedroom partially collapsed, there was a bulge in it as if there was weight, but turns out nothing. I think the ceiling is the cheapest type.

From the attached pictures, is the ceiling considered a "textured ceiling"?
 

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That's a good looking texture pattern on your ceiling! Very creative.
I can't tell for certain from the photos, but that looks like plaster on blueboard. That is a very heavy, but premium, ceiling.

Sagging areas in plaster ceilings are quite common in older homes.
Over time, heating and cooling cycles dry the framing and the nails work loose, causing the bulge. Other times, the nail stays but the wood lath dries & cracks or the blueboard wiggles its way past the nail head. (More common in blueboard than wood lath. Not too common in wire lath or single layer drywall unless the joists are deflecting.)

If you don't mind a couple of suggestions respectfully submitted-
When you put a new ceiling, I recommend using screws instead of nails. The hold better and are easier to install.

Also, the joists look kind of wavy and some appear to have edges torn away. You might consider using dry 1 x 3 strapping perpendicular to the joists so you can shim to make a smooth, strong and level base for the new ceiling. You can even put them on 12" centers for a very strong ceiling. Strapping will make your job easier and maybe even fun to do!
Paul
 
I wished I could install my own new ceiling lol. I'm willing to learn though.
 
I wished I could install my own new ceiling lol. I'm willing to learn though.
It's not too difficult to do and the taping and mudding is kind of fun. (To me, mundding is lots of fun. I enjoy it.)
Ceilings aren't as challenging to mount the boards as one would think. A helper is like gold.

If you are working alone, after cutting the sheet to size so it lands in the center of a joist, holding it up is the creative part.
You can rent drywall lifts at rental places or home centers. You just crank the board up to the ceiling & it tips into place.

Home Made Helper:: When my favorite arm was in a cast and immobilizer after getting steel "bones" installed, I improvised a lift. It was a pair of 1 x 4 at an angle from floor to a 1 x 3 that I screwed to the wall a couple of inches down from the ceiling. At the panel width opposite the wall, I put two 1 x 2 with long screws to the joist, but hanging down from the ceiling a bit. They acted like butterfly clips.

I would slide the drywall up the 1 x 4 "ramps" with my good arm until it ended at the 1 x 3 which acted like a shelf. Next I pushed the panel up with, again with my good arm, climbing the ladder as I went. I held it with my head while I reached over and spun the 1 x 2's to hold the panel. (If you have 2 good arms, no head needed!) Now I could take my time to screw the panel to the strapping. Then I moved the helpers to the next panel's home.

If you use strapping, you can also install it so that you can use smaller and lighter drywall pieces. You will have more taping and mudding, so it is a trade.


Basically- Don't fear doing drywall! Mistakes are easily fixable.
And, ask on this user group if you have questions. Lots of people here are very skilled and have good tips to share.

(My Tip: Use setting mud instead of pre-mix. You can mix it to the thickness you want for each stage of the job. And when you get good, you can mud the room and the mud will be ready for the next layer when you get the first go-around done. I also prefer paper tape over mesh. it is easier to finish and, to my mind, stronger.)

Paul
 
I forgot to note that if you don't want to get involved with lifting the boards, lots of handy-persons and drywall people are more than willing to hang the boards and leave the taping & mudding to you. This saves you most of the cost of hiring the whole job out.
 
Regarding using screws instead of nails; does it require drilling?

Will contractors charge more if preferring to use screws instead of nails?
 
Drywall screws are available, generally, in 2 configurations, "A" point and TEK. The "A" point are used for hanging board on wood framing and do not require pre drilling. The TEK are employed when hanging board on metal frameworks, and are self drilling.

The key to a
successful hanging project is, to not break the paper.

I've never found that hangers charges vary between fasteners, because each will use whatever gets the job done, and them being paid, the quickest.
 
Regarding using screws instead of nails; does it require drilling?

Will contractors charge more if preferring to use screws instead of nails?
When you go in the store and look at drywall screws you will see corase and fine thread. The drywall screws that Snoonyb mentioned for wood are the coarse thread ones. I suggest 1-1/4" for this job.

For 1/2" on ceilings, along the edges, I put them 6" apart and stay 3/8" from the ends of the boards. Stay 3/8" from the edge of the board. In the field, I put screws 12" apart.

A regular screw tip for your drill or driver works, but practice on scrap to get the feel on not breaking the paper, but still recessing the screw.

OR-
You can buy a tip for your drill or screw gun especially for drywall. It helps prevent paper tearing and dimples the screws perfectly. Some are plain and some are fancy with clutches and stuff. The Dimpler is an example of a fancy one.

AND-
Also available, if you want a new tool, are drivers that use drywall screws on strips. These come in corded or cordless. The job flies!. Professionals often use them. I use my cordless Senco Duraspin sometimes on drywall, but more for subflooring. You can also buy an attachment for your drill to do the same job.

AND_
Made are drywall guns that only do drywall screws. Installation is very fast with these. I have a zillion year old Makita that I love using.


You also asked if a contractor will charge more for to use screws. I doubt it. Most use screws exclusively because the job goes quicker than with nails. They will use nails (or a clincher tool) on corner beads if your job has any.

Also note that sometimes drywall is glued and screwed. Personally, I skip the glue because if the ceiling ever has to come down, it makes a lot more work. If the proper nailing pattern is used, glue's not necessary. (My experience. Others may differe) I'm not sure what the glue adds to the project.

Hope This Helps!
Paul
 

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Production fastening; 6x8=48; 1edge, 2@16",2" between, 2@ 32", 2" between, 1 @ 48", DONE, and, meets code.
 
Production fastening; 6x8=48; 1edge, 2@16",2" between, 2@ 32", 2" between, 1 @ 48", DONE, and, meets code.
I'm afraid I don't understand the above. Can you put a picture or other words? I'm interested.
Thanks,
Paul
PS: The fastening pattern I put in #11 is from the National Gypsum Handbook. It's what I've always seen followed with 1/2" on ceilings, as well as 5/8-X.
 
6 @ 8"oc. in the field of wall hung, IE, 1edge, 2@16",2" between, 2@ 32", 2" between, 1 @ 48", DONE, and, meets code, those applicable for speciality applications, apply.

All, prior to
specialty tools listed.

Lids are 8"oc, except for stated specialty applications, as in similar to shear panels.

Textbook
recommendation, often do not meet or conform to trade practices.
 
Textbook recommendation, often do not meet or conform to trade practices.
Personally, I go with what the manufacturer specifies for any product installation instead of comonly done trade practices. The manufacturer knows their products.

Examples- If an electrical terminal manufacturer calls for 1,12 Nm, I torque to 1,12 Nm, in spite of what others do. If a paint company wants 350 square feet per gallon, that's my goal. If the drywall manufacturer wants 6-edge, 12-field O.C. for 1/2" on ceilings, I screw to that specification.
 
I've never ever followed what someone who has likely only worked in lab, never had in field trade practices publishes.

I also warranty every thing do for the lifetime occupancy of the contracted for.

The only call-back, in 45yrs, was a ceiling paint, roller marks, subcontracted.

Never failed an inspection.
 
I want to know how does one remove or demolish the old ceiling to place a new ceiling.
 
Well, speaking of the room in the photos, where some of the ceiling has fallen, the Idea is to limit other damage, IE, to the walls.

So, at the wall/ceiling joint strike with a utility knife, then break the ceiling 3 or 4" wide, close to the wall with a hammer, from there you can pull the ceiling down and pile it close to the center of the room, you then remove the debris and return to began removing the remaining fasteners.

With the ceiling clean, you can decide whether or no to use 1x furring strips. Were it I, I would not use 1x2, I'd use 1x3 or 1x4, simply to eliminate lengthwise cracking from the fasteners.

If you intend upon subcontracting the ceiling installation, contact several, prior to installing any furring, and ask.
 
I want to know how does one remove or demolish the old ceiling to place a new ceiling.
I put on breathing & eye protection and seal the room to contain dust, A fan in the window with rolled up, damp towels under the door gap very much helps keep dust out of the rest of the building. Also be sure to tape over any forced air registers and return grilles.

Next, I take a razor knife (utility knife) with the blade about 1/2" sticking out and cut where the wall meets the ceiling. Don't try to cut full depth in one slice. Slice a few times. You will use many blades for a whole room.

Next, I deeply score the drywall into manageable squares with my utility knife. Score all the way through. Optionally, one can use a drywall saw or a 14 tooth blade in a reciprocating saw. (Good excuse to buy a new tool if you don't have one)

I'll score and punch a hole in one square near the edge and use it as a handle to yank down the square.

Next, I go back and pull out the ten million nails that stayed behind. Beisange work great because the nails come out easily.

Finally, I sweep, vacuum and damp wipe & mop the work area.


A bit about strapping-
In this part of the country, strapping isn't normally done, it's more of an east coast thing. But I do it.
They go perpendicular to the joists and around the perimeter of the room. The job goes very quickly.

Why Do I Strap?
A) If there is movement from above, such as someone walking upstairs or drywall directly to roof rafters in cathedral ceilings, the strapping helps prevent cracking of joints.

B) With 1 x 3 strapping, you now have 1-1/4" of lumber (half of a 2-1/2" wide piece of lumber) to attach the drywall. Directly to joists will only give you 3/4" to attach. Now you can screw farther from the edge and your cuts can miss a bit

C) You can shim the strapping to have a nice, flat and level ceiling.

D) You can put the strapping on 12" centers if desired. This gives more area that is fastened, preventing sags.

E) Often you end up with fewer joints to tape.

F) If, when you take down the old ceiling, you end up with ragged top edges on the walls the strapping hides 3/4" of it. Add the drywall and you have 1-1/4" of chunks covered. This makes mudding & taping the corners easier.

You can use 1 x 3 wood, as is most often done.
Sometimes, if there is potential movement like a cathedral ceiling to rafters, metal hat channel and fine thread screws can be used. This works great when the rafters move under snow and wind loads.

Many people nail the strapping. I screw it in with 1-1/2" construction (not drywall) screws. For me, screwing is faster than nailing.
 

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I would caution against using a reciprocating/sawzall, unless you are first able to access each joist bay and determine any utilities that may be damaged.
 

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