How to get these three outlets working?

[afjes_2016]

check any receptacles for being terminated by back stabbed
instead of wire screwed on the side.
back stabbed is notorious for connection failure

these are mobile home receptacles that are all in ones. they do not have screws.

 

[farmerjohn1324]

Complete the troubleshooting I described (if you so choose) with all of the receptacles that are non functional. Be sure the power is off at the breaker prior to each of the steps of the troubleshooting. My biggest concern is that these all in ones if not sandwiched properly and evenly pressured just don't make good connections and I don't want to see you chasing your tail around because of it.

I already removed one of the all-in-ones and put a multimeter to the bare wires on 200V setting. I got no voltage. That means it's somewhere in the wiring, right? That is the test I plan to perform on the other 2 non-working outlets. That is what a continuity test is, right?

 

[nealtw]

I already removed one of the all-in-ones and put a multimeter to the bare wires on 200V setting. I got no voltage. That means it's somewhere in the wiring, right? That is the test I plan to perform on the other 2 non-working outlets. That is what a continuity test is, right?

no. continuity is testing one wire to make sure both ends are connected as in not broken somewhere in the middle.

 

[farmerjohn1324]

no. continuity is testing one wire to make sure both ends are connected as in not broken somewhere in the middle.

Okay. Well I have 3 no-working outlets. I already tested one of them and determined that it is the wiring, not the outlet. I will test the remaining 2 tomorrow.

Now that I know I have some problems with the wiring in the wall, what is my next step to locating and fixing the problem? Do I take apart every outlet, switch, light, and fan, and make sure there are no loose connections or loose wire nuts?

 

[nealtw]

Okay. Well I have 3 no-working outlets. I already tested one of them and determined that it is the wiring, not the outlet. I will test the remaining 2 tomorrow.

Now that I know I have some problems with the wiring in the wall, what is my next step to locating and fixing the problem? Do I take apart every outlet, switch, light, and fan, and make sure there are no loose connections or loose wire nuts?

If you can not find power in those boxes then you havwe to figure out where it should be coming from. The gfci usually is the first in a string of outlets so I would check the wires in the breaker box for loose screws.

You seldom have a problem with wire, mostly you will have a bad connection and it sounds like that will be somewhere else. All connections are in a box and accessible.

 

[frodo]

if the outlets are daisy chained like this

 

[farmerjohn1324]

if the outlets are daisy chained like this

Okay. How do I determine this order?

I can easily see what is on which breaker.

 

[frodo]

I am not at your house, In my house I would Remove every damn receptacle
then wire nut this
to the wires, flip the breaker on,That is how I would find the home run {hot] wire from breaker
what you are doing is trying o find the hot, then work towards the othr end
replacing the back stabbed receptacles as you go

common sense will tell you that a box with a 3rd wire is the box that MAY be the start of the chain
OR that 3rd wire could be going to a light switch

 

[farmerjohn1324]

After doing some research, I have pretty much determined that if I replace the GFCI, it should fix 2, if not 3, of the outlets.

I am going to replace the mobile home stab-in outlets with regular outlets. What kind of plastic box do I need to make this safe?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/1-Gang-N...gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CLHLrYK7x9YCFcZQhgodlQ4OEQ

Is this right? Or do I need something like this...

http://www.homedepot.com/p/1-Gang-1...gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CP2Cx6e7x9YCFc0ahgodpokOwQ

 

[afjes_2016]

Single gang old work low voltage bracket - :nono:

Single gang new work box - :down:

 

[farmerjohn1324]

Single gang old work low voltage bracket - :nono:

Single gang new work box - :down:

They're both no? Why?

Then what do I use?

 

[frodo]

1-Gang 14 cu. in. Old Work Box

you will need wire nuts, and some wire
I use black tape over my wire nuts even though it is not required

 

[Snoonyb]

After doing some research, I have pretty much determined that if I replace the GFCI, it should fix 2, if not 3, of the outlets.

I am going to replace the mobile home stab-in outlets with regular outlets. What kind of plastic box do I need to make this safe?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/1-Gang-N...gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CLHLrYK7x9YCFcZQhgodlQ4OEQ

Is this right? Or do I need something like this...

http://www.homedepot.com/p/1-Gang-1...gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CP2Cx6e7x9YCFc0ahgodpokOwQ

These both tell the story of why not!

The 1st says LOW VOLTAGE and 120VAC is high voltage.

The 2nd require you to open the wall sufficiently to nail it too the framing.Besides which, from your photos, you DO NOT have the depth in your wall cavity for the box to fit.

Unfortunately, because of the shallow wall depth you are pretty much relegated to mobil home recep. and this style of bracket;

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Raco-2-Gan...-Wall-Electrical-Box-Mounting-Bracket/3182991

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Raco-2-Pac...Wall-Electrical-Box-Mounting-Brackets/3182855

There are others such as the CADDY MPLS's.

 

[farmerjohn1324]

These both tell the story of why not!

The 1st says LOW VOLTAGE and 120VAC is high voltage.

The 2nd require you to open the wall sufficiently to nail it too the framing.Besides which, from your photos, you DO NOT have the depth in your wall cavity for the box to fit.

Unfortunately, because of the shallow wall depth you are pretty much relegated to mobil home recep. and this style of bracket;

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Raco-2-Gan...-Wall-Electrical-Box-Mounting-Bracket/3182991

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Raco-2-Pac...Wall-Electrical-Box-Mounting-Brackets/3182855

There are others such as the CADDY MPLS's.

Well there's nothing wrong with using those so that's what I'll do.

 

[Snoonyb]

I'm only judging from what appears in your photos, and I could be wrong, so measure your wall depth from the finished surface of the drywall.

You can find the dimensions of the available boxes on line.

 

[frodo]

these are less expensive, save a dollar on each,$2.52 each at home depot if that matters to you
they fit in a shallow wall

 

[frodo]

Well there's nothing wrong with using those so that's what I'll do.

I believe electrical code requires all connections to be in a box
for safety reasons

low voltage is not required to have connections in a box
120 is required

 

[farmerjohn1324]

I believe electrical code requires all connections to be in a box
for safety reasons

low voltage is not required to have connections in a box
120 is required

Okay but are these plastic things gonna do it for high voltage?

 

[frodo]

YES, they are/were designed to use with 120volt

your wire connections will be in an approved outlet box

 

[nealtw]

YES, they are/were designed to use with 120volt

your wire connections will be in an approved outlet box

He has the mobile home stuff they don't have a box so they don't come with screws.:rofl: