remember an old thread on min. wage?

I seem to remember an old thread about minimum wage. some said raising it would cost others jobs, others said no it would not.

read this,



https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/carl-jr-ceo-predicts-future-203203237.html


Fast-food CEO says he's investing in machines because he can't afford to pay workers


The CEO of Carl's Jr. and Hardee's has visited the fully automated restaurant Eatsa — and it's given him some ideas on how to deal with rising minimum wages.
"I want to try it," CEO Andy Puzder told Business Insider of his automated restaurant plans. "We could have a restaurant that's focused on all-natural products and is much like an Eatsa, where you order on a kiosk, you pay with a credit or debit card, your order pops up, and you never see a person."

Puzder's interest in an employee-free restaurant, which he says would be possible only if the company found time as Hardee's works on its northeastern expansion, has been driven by rising minimum wages across the US.

"With government driving up the cost of labor, it's driving down the number of jobs," he says. "You're going to see automation not just in airports and grocery stores, but in restaurants."

Puzder has been an outspoken advocate against raising the minimum wage, writing two op-eds for The Wall Street Journal on how a higher minimum wage would lead to reduced employment opportunities.

"This is the problem with Bernie Sanders, and Hillary Clinton, and progressives who push very hard to raise the minimum wage," says Puzder. "Does it really help if Sally makes $3 more an hour if Suzie has no job?"


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As a result, he and others in the fast-food business are investing big in automation.

"If you're making labor more expensive, and automation less expensive — this is not rocket science," says Puzder.

Despite the financial benefits, automating employee duties isn't an easy process.

First and foremost, the technology has to work every time. For the time being, Puzder doesn't think that it's likely that any machine could take over the more nuanced kitchen work of Carl's Jr. and Hardee's.

But for more rote tasks like grilling a burger or taking an order, technology may be even more precise than human employees.

"They're always polite, they always upsell, they never take a vacation, they never show up late, there's never a slip-and-fall, or an age, sex, or race discrimination case," says Puzder of swapping employees for machines.


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While there are bonuses of using machines, there is the secondary issue of customers becoming comfortable using the tech. Younger customers may already have a handle on technology, but many older customers could find themselves confused in a tech-heavy location.

But Puzder says that a restaurant that's 100% automated would have one big plus for millennials: no social interaction.

"Millennials like not seeing people," he says. "I've been inside restaurants where we've installed ordering kiosks ... and I've actually seen young people waiting in line to use the kiosk where there's a person standing behind the counter, waiting on nobody."

I would think they will do it with or with out the raise in Min wage. Great If they have the equipment made locally and some better paying jobs to install and repair them.

All the things putzer said are true. That's why the American economy will soon have to be based on a whole new set of economics that is not based on industry.

In the meantime, who's going to stock the machines, clean the machines, repair the machines, prepare the food, etc, etc, etc. If the food is actually good - and that's a big "if" - then maybe the place will be profitable. But most executives will tell you, that a smiling face and a good interaction with the customer makes the difference between your place and the place down the street.

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we do not eat soy/crap burgers at fast food joints.

recipe
pound of hambruger

fashion into a ball set on a pan with sides
press a drinking glass or beer can into the meat press down, twist and pull up
fill the hole with ...what ever blows happiness up your skirt
if you want..add bbq sauce as a topping
bake 350 till done

or

1 lb hamburger, 1 pk lipton onion soup mix
mix and make 3 patties. broil in oven 4 minutes each side

meanwhile. cut up a bellpepper, onion, saute with lil butter and 1 package mccormick mesquite marinade
pour/spoon over your burger

Frodo, no fire on a grill and beer? Whats wrong man?

Frodo's busy working in the kitchen for min. and soon he will be replace by a robot.

Maybe he already has ...😏

I have said quite a few times that automation normally makes way for more jobs not less as SnS pointed out. most of what we do and think we are working is already automated to some extent over base technologies. Take his food service as an example albeit it fast food or high end food. The owner does not raise the beef. He does not transport the food to his location. He uses machines to prepare and cook the food. All these parts of the process use a lot of automation to make them happen at a price point the masses can afford to pay for the meal. The consumer works in some regard and his work for the most part is influenced by automation. It is hard to think of any job that doesn’t have some aspect of automation backing the ease of doing what we do. The guy building a house rarely chops down a tree and melts iron to make nails. The plumber doesn’t make copper pipe from ore or pump oil out of the ground and convert it to PEX tubing.

What this is about is someone pushing the line just a little more and saying if I have to pay 10 kids $15 per hour so that if some guy comes thru the door and wants a hamburger at 2am he would rather pay 4 skilled people $30 an hour to maintain a more automated restaurant. It’s nothing new. In the 30’s and 40’s cafeterias were invented and it surprises most they were invented by companies like General Electric to feed their employees. They used to feed 10,000 people a sit down lunch every day and it took too much time away from productivity on the assembly lines. After cafeterias came vending machines.

If restaurant “A” has to raise the price of its burger to 3 bucks and you still get the kid that messes the order up putting it in the bag and restaurant “B” keeps it’s burger at 2 bucks and you pull up and a your meal comes out on a belt just as you ordered without the worry of the germy kid touching your food. People will go to where they get the best quality for the least money.

Who is appalled any longer that you have to pump your own gas. How many of us go thru fully automated car washes and pay 5 to 10 bucks for something we could do for free at home. Half the places I go shopping now have self-checkout. No one goes to the bank on Friday anymore they have direct deposit and use a mac card.

The population is growing and we keep figuring out how to do everything with less human interaction. All of it has to balance with supply and demand. The supply and demand system only works when there is little meddling with it. Water seeks its own level and so should supply and demand. When we feel sorry for one group and give them help it feels good to do, but there is always unintended circumstances someplace else. The guy automating his business isn’t controlling the system he is just reacting as he has to the effects of what is happening to him.

The other model we can follow isn’t the one that made this country out of nothing to what it is today in 200 years. It is what China had and what some of the people running for president would like to see here. The way to make that happen is meddle in the system until the tipping point and then reset the system. That’s what is going on now. When the tipping point is reached the government will say we no longer have a minimum wage we just have a wage. All you people making $40 and all you people not working are all going to be working and you all are going to be making the same thing. We will make all these jobs by getting rid of automation and go back to manual labor. Everyone will work harder and get less.