DIY Home Improvement, Remodeling & Repair Forum > DIY Home Improvement > Decks & Patios > Hidden Fasteners vs Face Nailing?




Help Support House Repair Talk by donating using the link above.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-27-2016, 07:03 AM  
drewdin
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 440
Liked 39 Times on 34 Posts
Likes Given: 112

Default Hidden Fasteners vs Face Nailing?

I am in the process of purchasing some Azek Decking, Now I have to figure out which way I am going to fasten them.

So far I'm thinking of using either the cortex Hidden fastener system that is a face nail and plug or the CONCEALLoc fasteners that hook into the grooves of the decking.

Does anyone have experience or recommend one over the other? My Carpenter said he prefers the Cortex because the wood feels more secured to the framing and he has seen some decks feel bouncy when the CONCEALLok have been used.

I also spoke to the local building supply place who echoed the same thing.

http://www.lowes.com/pd/AZEK-CONCEAL...erage/50381534

http://www.fastenmaster.com/products...m-decking.html

What are your thoughts?

Thanks!


drewdin is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2016, 07:35 AM  
Snoonyb
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,649
Liked 452 Times on 401 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

A couple of comments;
As for the "bouncy" effect, pick and crown your lumber, you are the customer and don't have to accept "what-ever they give you."
The advantage of the cortex system lies in the ease with which damage can be repaired/replaced.
I see a disadvantage in the amount of "maybe" material you need to remember what you did with, as well as the aesthetics of loose or missing plugs.

Because I select my own lumber, I have used the concel system exclusively.


__________________
Illigitimas non-carborundum
Snoonyb is online now  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2016, 07:38 AM  
drewdin
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 440
Liked 39 Times on 34 Posts
Likes Given: 112

Default

Good point about missing plugs, I was wondering how good they stay in. Have you seen them come out a lot?
drewdin is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2016, 07:44 AM  
Snoonyb
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,649
Liked 452 Times on 401 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Because I use the other system, it's not been something I've experienced.

Being prudent and believing that what can go wrong will............
__________________
Illigitimas non-carborundum
Snoonyb is online now  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2016, 09:16 AM  
beachguy005
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 844
Liked 311 Times on 259 Posts

Default

Just from a labor perspective I would go with the CONCEALLoc. With the other, screw, set plug and make sure the grain aligns and make sure all the fasteners line up. I can understand why your carpenter likes the Cortex, you must be paying him buy the hour.
I did SS trim head screws for my last that had to be pre-drilled and I would never go with face fasteners again, for look as much as labor.

Last edited by beachguy005; 09-27-2016 at 10:51 AM.
beachguy005 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2016, 11:03 AM  
drewdin
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 440
Liked 39 Times on 34 Posts
Likes Given: 112

Default

I will be helping the Carpenter with the install and its not by the hour so I know he's not trying to screw me, no pun intended! I did see the Cortex are self tapping so we don’t need to pre-drill.

I see the benefit in both and it looks like you have to use the cortex when picture framing anyway. Maybe ill do the combo of conceallok in the center.

any other gotchas to be aware of?
drewdin is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2016, 12:53 PM  
Snoonyb
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,649
Liked 452 Times on 401 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Being "self drilling" cuts a threaded hole.

Does the head of the cortex look like the threaded shank of the fastener?

Is the pug threaded?
__________________
Illigitimas non-carborundum
Snoonyb is online now  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2016, 02:22 PM  
drewdin
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 440
Liked 39 Times on 34 Posts
Likes Given: 112

Default

The plugs are not threaded but from reading the instructions, the way the countersink and the plug work is a press fit using the seal of the screw and plug to keep they together. The screw looks more like a finish nail. Have a look

http://www.fastenmaster.com/products...m-decking.html


drewdin is offline  
nealtw Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter DIY Home Repair Forum Replies Last Post
Suggestions for hidden fasteners for deck? vikasintl Decks & Patios 3 06-28-2015 05:42 PM
Ipe Hardness? and Fasteners... admin_old Decks & Patios 9 02-12-2012 05:56 AM
What fasteners do you use? Stevie Decks & Patios 2 10-01-2007 05:24 PM
broke my face *with pix* jcambece General Chit-Chat 5 07-10-2006 09:08 PM



Newest Threads