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The opposite argument could be made for the wealthy wasting water regardless of the price. If they insist in using it wastefully in a supply and demand economy they will be lowering the overall cost for the poor by buying more.

Most likely there is some porta john sanitation union that has the government in their pocket demanding their services be used. When you work in a big city do you often see the same company porta johns at all location or could a contractor build his own contained porta john and drag it from job site to job site to save cost. I bet if you tried that you would have some sort of paperwork in your hands within the hour.

When we go to a trade show in any large cities the electrical unions control what happens on the convention floor electrically. If you need to plug in an extension cord you have to get a union guy to plug it in for $50 if you have a display that needs moved on a cart to your booth you have to find a union laborer to move the cardboard boxes for $50. There is always someone’s fingers in the pie no matter what.
 
I can buy a port-a-john but it still needs to be cleaned, not a good examole of something most people want to get into.
Which came first the union cord plugger or stupid people overloading the circuits
Who gets sued at the show when you hurt a bystander with your cart of goods during the show.
Some of that that stuff is good management with or with out unions, it's more about insurance than pushy unions.
It's great fodder to blame unions and govment for all you think is wrong but come on spend ten minutes thinking about the bad stuff that might happen and how each person has to protect them self.
Big box stores close areas while a fork lift is in the area, that's not regs. or unions, that's insurance cost benifet.
 
The opposite argument could be made for the wealthy wasting water regardless of the price. If they insist in using it wastefully in a supply and demand economy they will be lowering the overall cost for the poor by buying more.
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Huh? Sorry, but you're going to have to explain this one and back it up.
 
nealtw said:
I can buy a port-a-john but it still needs to be cleaned, not a good examole of something most people want to get into.
Which came first the union cord plugger or stupid people overloading the circuits
Who gets sued at the show when you hurt a bystander with your cart of goods during the show.
Some of that that stuff is good management with or with out unions, it's more about insurance than pushy unions.
It's great fodder to blame unions and govment for all you think is wrong but come on spend ten minutes thinking about the bad stuff that might happen and how each person has to protect them self.
Big box stores close areas while a fork lift is in the area, that's not regs. or unions, that's insurance cost benifet.
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Maybe thats where all our problems come from? People that don't think before they do things. We are forced to over regulate because people are dumb. I honestly do see it on a daily basis. Has this always been a problem?
 
slownsteady said:
Huh? Sorry, but you're going to have to explain this one and back it up.
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It’s called “economies of scale” and a main part of any microeconomics discussion. When you go black Friday shopping and score that 32” flat screen for 99 bucks the reason for that is that there are some 50 million other people doing the same thing and the rich ones are scoring the 80 incher for 3 grand. It all boils down to some 50,000 Asian workers now have a job and are making these things like popcorn and shipping them here. Yes there is that one or 100 or even 1000 guys that are profiting excessively from all this because they risked their money at the right time and on the right idea and are now the evil “one percenter's” and should be thrown in jail and their money should be given to the poor.

You never once hear government talking about “economies of scale” But go in the board room of any private company and that’s all they talk about.

Read all about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale
 
Interesting. Never heard of it before but it makes complete sense.
 
For some reason, I don't see Chris talking about microeconomics with his crew during his debriefing at the local pub.
 
bud16415 said:
It’s called “economies of scale” and a main part of any microeconomics discussion. When you go black Friday shopping and score that 32” flat screen for 99 bucks the reason for that is that there are some 50 million other people doing the same thing and the rich ones are scoring the 80 incher for 3 grand. It all boils down to some 50,000 Asian workers now have a job and are making these things like popcorn and shipping them here. Yes there is that one or 100 or even 1000 guys that are profiting excessively from all this because they risked their money at the right time and on the right idea and are now the evil “one percenter's” and should be thrown in jail and their money should be given to the poor.

You never once hear government talking about “economies of scale” But go in the board room of any private company and that’s all they talk about.

Read all about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale
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Economics of scale may apply to manufactured goods. But water, like oil, is not subject to increased supply by cheap labor. And we all know that as supply decreases (i.e. drought) and demand increases (i.e. population growth), prices rise.
 
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There is the same amount of water on the planet there was a billion years ago. It goes around in a big circle sometimes it’s polluted with salt sometimes it is water vapor and sometimes it is sitting in my back yard in the largest supply of fresh water in the world the great lakes. What you are buying when you buy water is really a service and the consumable is energy to get it to you or make all those silly plastic bottles to hold a couple cups of it the ones everyone carries around being green. It is about an infrastructure getting it from where it is to a lot of people that live in a location nature says it shouldn’t be. So Neal is correct we are lowering the aquafer by putting it on the ground to grow things far away from the aquafer.

Cheap labor is only one way of mass producing anything and really isn’t the best way. The best way is thru automation and I know you won’t believe it but automation makes more jobs than it consumes because it increases supplies of good and services thus bringing down cost and that causes demand. Water is a service you are paying for and as Chris mentioned they cut back on the usage by force of government and that drove the price up. There was a blip in the process and knee jerk reactions set all this into place now they have water that’s most likely going to end up in the ocean.

If you have an electric car and a solar plant on your roof or windmill to charge your car raise your hand. That is all something we can go out and buy now and being DIY types could easily do ourselves. The thing that’s stopping it from happening is not the will to do it is economic. All it would cost you to get up and running is maybe $200,000.
 
bud16415 said:
It’s called “economies of scale” and a main part of any microeconomics discussion. When you go black Friday shopping and score that 32” flat screen for 99 bucks the reason for that is that there are some 50 million other people doing the same thing and the rich ones are scoring the 80 incher for 3 grand. It all boils down to some 50,000 Asian workers now have a job and are making these things like popcorn and shipping them here. Yes there is that one or 100 or even 1000 guys that are profiting excessively from all this because they risked their money at the right time and on the right idea and are now the evil “one percenter's” and should be thrown in jail and their money should be given to the poor.

You never once hear government talking about “economies of scale” But go in the board room of any private company and that’s all they talk about.

Read all about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale
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So your big water company could scale up the amount of water to sell and yopu could buy it by the tub cheaper than the gallon. Like I said who fixes that when all the water is used and the company is gone.
Who care if the great lakes go dry and the is no usable water in N.Y. or N.O.

The acid rain was fiction and the ozone has no hole in it. You can pick your own truth but the facts will bit you in the ***.

There was a time when fair trade was the name of the game. Check the agreement between Canada and the US on auto manufacturing, worked fine for close to 50 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–United_States_Automotive_Products_Agreement
And that was all about your scale.
But some how it's better to move shirt making to Bangladesh where there are less rules about working conditions and fire safety.
So when all the labour jobs are gone and there is limited number of jobs for the educated who are in debt for the rest of their lives, who buys the new phone then, scale has a limit.

Let's try this, you get your pink slip because your job just moved to China.
 
Chris said:
Interesting. Never heard of it before but it makes complete sense.
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Back on subject, I just took this bit from AOL news

"It says you can drink the water -- but if you drink the water over a period of time, you can get cancer," said Alvarez, whose working-class family has no choice but keep drinking and cooking with the tainted tap water daily, as they have since Alvarez was just learning to walk. "They really don't explain."
Uranium, the stuff of nuclear fuel for power plants and atom bombs, increasingly is showing in drinking water systems in major farming regions of the U.S. West -- a naturally occurring but unexpected byproduct of irrigation, of drought, and of the overpumping of natural underground water reserves.
An Associated Press investigation in California's central farm valleys -- along with the U.S. Central Plains, among the areas most affected -- found authorities are doing little to inform the public at large of the growing risk.
 
Do you think it is from irrigation and pumping of water or all the chemicals we use to fertilize?

Maybe its time to only have farming in CA and not residents? It only makes sense seeing how the majority of the uS relies on our farming to feed their families.
 
Chris said:
Do you think it is from irrigation and pumping of water or all the chemicals we use to fertilize?

Maybe its time to only have farming in CA and not residents? It only makes sense seeing how the majority of the uS relies on our farming to feed their families.
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That was mostly the notice they posted on farm workers doors, where most of the workers don't read english.
Do you think they want the rest of us to think about the farm produce as lit at niight?

From what I have read about how hard it is to get water back into the aquifer this stuff was likely put there at some time, makes you wonder about these guys pumping fracting water into the ground.

This isn't local they showed hot spots all over the state.
 
February and it has been 85-90 degrees for weeks now. All my trees think it is summer. Our snow pack is where it is supposed to be for the most part but I was really hoping for this El Niño they kept talking about. Now they are saying it was too big to happen.

We have had more rain than in the last few years but still not as much as we needed.
 
We are not out of the drought but we are hovering over getting average rainfall this year.
 
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