What did you do today?

[Spicoli43]

Viewing oneself in a mirror could serve a couple of defunctetures, your appearance, a savior to all, and also improve your aiming skills, while munching on yourself.

When you use words that don't exist, you have to hit the edit button.

 

[Snoonyb]

When you use words that don't exist, you have to hit the edit button.

But that, would then displace the intent.

This wouldn't be you, as an entrepreneur, in disguise would it? :
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hunter-facing-jail-breeding-massive-113906503.html

 

[Ron Van]

But that, would then displace the intent.

This wouldn't be you, as an entrepreneur, in disguise would it? :
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hunter-facing-jail-breeding-massive-113906503.html

I like how, at the end of the article, they get a dig in on President Trump...

"In 2019, Donald Trump Jr, the son of the former president, was condemned by animal rights groups when he went to hunt argali sheep in Mongolia, where they are considered a national treasure."

 

[Spicoli43]

But that, would then displace the intent.

This wouldn't be you, as an entrepreneur, in disguise would it? :
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hunter-facing-jail-breeding-massive-113906503.html

I don't know if I lose more IQ points by reading your posts or by driving through North Dakota. It's a toss up.

 

[Snoonyb]

I don't know if I lose more IQ points by reading your posts or by driving through North Dakota. It's a toss up.

Yet you persist, in the expansion and cultural absorption, afforded.

 

[Snoonyb]

I like how, at the end of the article, they get a dig in on President Trump...

"In 2019, Donald Trump Jr, the son of the former president, was condemned by animal rights groups when he went to hunt argali sheep in Mongolia, where they are considered a national treasure."

In all my hunting experiences I've never sought the biggest, the prized, because in this case, these animal are largely domesticated and not afforded the natural instinct of survival.

 

[Ron Van]

Got the baseboard and crown molding up.



It’s starting to look like a laundry room again!


All that stuff on the shelves used to be on the floor.

 

[Ron Van]

Before



After

 

[zannej]

Shan, I like the To Do list and how you color coded it. Good organization there. I hope you can find your EZ brackets and get the hood mounted.

Spicoli, I *hate* when I bite the the edge of my tongue or inside of my cheek. Do it too often and it sucks. I bit the edge of my tongue with a rough tooth (I need a cap or crown on it) and it bled for 15min. Feel like such a derp when I do it.

Ron, the laundry area looks great! Is it possible to put a chunk of cement board under the water heater pan?
Also, is that P-trap for the washing machine's standpipe within 18" from the floor? I can't tell from the photo. I know that the top part needs to be minimum 18" length and the trap weir needs to be between 6" to 18" from the finished floor.

Been absolutely exhausted still trying to get stuff done. I got a new UPS (battery backup) for Mom's mini pc and the stuff on her desk (monitor, cordless phone, USB charging dock, etc). I covered all of the vents with dust screen and taped it on with electrical tape. Put plugs in all of the unused ports. Electrical tape over any opening that didn't need to be vented and where a plug couldn't fit. Rubbed peppermint oil on it. Charged it up. Unplugged the old unit and pulled it out. Put plugs in to the new one and turned it on. Got a cooling fan for the modem. Roaches like to gather on the back of the modem and the underside where things plug in. I put dust screen on the cooling fan and tested to see that it still got decent airflow-- it does. Rubbed peppermint oil on it. Used canned air to get roaches off the bottom of the modem and got peppermint oil there and set it on the fan.

I heard the pump running in the pump house so I went to check and the lever had gotten stuck a little so I tapped it and it popped up and the pump shut off. I really need to configure something to make the rod stay straight instead of being able to tip slightly sideways.

Cooked for Mom and watched Doc Martin on DVR.

Currently trying to figure out WTH is wrong with the AC. It stopped cooling and I noticed the fan would come on for a few seconds and shut off then come back on and shut off. I turned the AC off and back on again. I turned off the breaker for over 30min and then turned it back on. I poured bleach down the condensate line. I checked the filters. I turned AC off but fans on and the fans still cut out. Currently have AC shut off to stop the short-cycling of the fan. Had thunderstorms all night and day so I haven't been able to check the outside unit to see if it is turning on or not.

My friend is trying to look up info on how to fix AC stuff. Don't need this with it getting hotter now.

On the upside, I took Mom for her doctor's appointment. Chest X-ray showed the pneumonia is gone. Her bloodwork is good. The edema in her ankles/feet is gone. Doc wants her to get physical therapy so she won't have so much trouble standing and walking. Just a short time walking and her back hurts a lot. At least she doesn't have arthritis like I do.

Found a large lump on the chest of one of our cats so will have to take her in on Monday to get that checked out.

 

[Ron Van]

Ron, the laundry area looks great!

Thanks! It’s nice that Ruby doesn’t have to take our laundry next door anymore.

Is it possible to put a chunk of cement board under the water heater pan?

It’s definitely possible. Havasu mentioned fireproofing the stand also. I’ve been trying to find the code concerning stands and haven’t been successful finding anything. Do you know where the code is for this? It might be because there is no requirement to elevate an electric heater therefore it could be in the code for gas appliances. If that’s true, I wonder if it applies to electric water heaters?

Also, is that P-trap for the washing machine's standpipe within 18" from the floor?

Yes

I can't tell from the photo. I know that the top part needs to be minimum 18" length and the trap weir needs to be between 6" to 18" from the finished floor.

My Maytag specifies the standpipe to be a minimum of 39” high. This supersedes the code of 38”. It’s because the code hasn’t caught up to the newer “High Efficiency” machines. The new machines pump water out faster.

What is a problem though, is that code says the drain pipe is to be 2”. Mine is only 1 1/2”. It would be a major repair to convert it to 2” involving hammering out concrete in the floor, which ain’t going to happen right now. Maybe down the road.

Found a large lump on the chest of one of our cats so will have to take her in on Monday to get that checked out.

Sounds expensive!

 

[Snoonyb]

Here are some of the prevalent standards;

NFPA 54: National Fuel Gas Code 2015


Chapter 9 Appliance, Equipment, and Accessory Installation


9.1 General.


9.1.10 Installation in Residential Garages.


9.1.10.1 Appliances in residential garages and in adjacent spaces that open to the garage and are not part of the living space of a dwelling unit shall be installed so that all burners and burner ignition devices are located not less than 18 in. (460 mm) above the floor unless listed as flammable vapor ignition resistant.

The International Residential Building Code, section G2408.2, Appliance Elevations, Exceptions, specifically states that FVIR-equipped appliances are exempt from the elevation requirement.


That would cover virtually all water heaters manufactured and sold in the US since roughly 2003. Elevation might be advisable for water damage mitigation, but is no longer required for gas-fired water heaters in garage installations.


Gas water heaters can sit directly on the floor if they are FVIR (flammable vapor ignition-resistant). All gas 30, 40, and 50-gallon water heaters sold to the North American market after 2005 must comply with ANSI Z21. 10.1a-2002 standards.

 

[Snoonyb]

It's important to note that each jurisdiction can, by statute, impose more stringent requirement, they cannot lower the min. standards.

Some additional; CA Title 24, Part 5

508.12.4 At the locations selected for installation of the gas uti- lization appliance, the dynamic and static load carrying capacities of the building structure shall be checked to determine whether they are adequate to carry the additional loads. The appliance shall be supported and shall be connected to the piping so as not to exert undue stress on the connections. [NFPA 54:9.1.8.4]

509.4.4 Work Platform. A level working platform not less than thirty (30) inches (760 mm) by thirty (30) inches (760 mm) shall be provided in front of the service side of the appliance. [NFPA 54:9.5.2]

 

[Ron Van]

Here are some of the prevalent standards;

NFPA 54: National Fuel Gas Code 2015


Chapter 9 Appliance, Equipment, and Accessory Installation


9.1 General.


9.1.10 Installation in Residential Garages.


9.1.10.1 Appliances in residential garages and in adjacent spaces that open to the garage and are not part of the living space of a dwelling unit shall be installed so that all burners and burner ignition devices are located not less than 18 in. (460 mm) above the floor unless listed as flammable vapor ignition resistant.

The International Residential Building Code, section G2408.2, Appliance Elevations, Exceptions, specifically states that FVIR-equipped appliances are exempt from the elevation requirement.


That would cover virtually all water heaters manufactured and sold in the US since roughly 2003. Elevation might be advisable for water damage mitigation, but is no longer required for gas-fired water heaters in garage installations.


Gas water heaters can sit directly on the floor if they are FVIR (flammable vapor ignition-resistant). All gas 30, 40, and 50-gallon water heaters sold to the North American market after 2005 must comply with ANSI Z21. 10.1a-2002 standards.

Yes, Thanks for that info but the topic is fireproofing a water heater stand. I can't find code that talks about fireproofing a WH stand. Is that just for gas water heaters or does that apply to all water Heaters that are on a stand? I'm starting to think that it applies only to gas WH's installed in a garage (except FVIR- equipped) because of their proximity to potential flammable vapors from things stored in a garage.

Terry Love made this comment...

"New metal stand is now code for water heaters. Wood is no good. New code wants to see metal stands now for water heaters."

Why did Terry say, "New code wants to see metal stands"? Is it because of fireproofing or earthquake proofing? Terry's next comment was . . .

"On the West coast they like to see earthquake strapping and flex connectors for gas and water. It shakes a bit out here on the coast."

I'd ask him why he said that but he's dead.

My thinking is this...An attached garage has to have a fire barrier between it and the house. A WH installed in a garage has to be on a stand because of all the potential flammable vapors found in a garage. It appears there may be code requiring a WH stand installed in a garage or room adjacent to a garage to be fireproof as well. Makes sense.

It seems the fireproof WH stand is a requirement of "Residential Code G2408" clearances of heat producing equipment to combustible materials.
They leave it up to the manufacture to determine this."

G2408.5 (305.8) Clearances to Combustible Construction​

Heat-producing equipment and appliances shall be installed to maintain the required clearances to combustible construction as specified in the listing and manufacturer's instructions."

I checked on Home Depot's website. The Reem gas fired WH manual says this, "The water heater may be installed on combustible floors, but not directly on carpeting. If the water heater must be installed on carpeting, place a metal or wood panel beneath the water heater, extending beyond its full width and depth at least 5” in all directions."

My electric AO Smith WH makes no mention of clearances to combustible materials.

 

[shan2themax]

I am enjoying this one day off during my work week. I have windows ooen and the current temp is 59°.
It feels good and I love smelling the fresh air.

I made a post in the plumbing forum, so if you get a chance hop over there and add you $0.02.

I don't think I have mentioned it, but I have a new furniture redo project coming up. I got 2 chest of drawers and 2 bedside tables at a sort of thrift store and they were a good deal. They came from a nursing home or assisted living or something, they are super heavy. One of the chest of drawers I am going to give to my son, the other I am going to redo for myself, and then I have a project in mind for the bedside tables, so I am excited. I won't be able to do anything with them for a few weeks because I need to go through the garage first, I think, or at least be able to put some things that are in the room the bedside tables will be going in, in the garage.

@zannej I hope all that helps keep the creepy crawlies out. I think you have mentioned this before, but buy food grade diatomaceous earth and have a party with it putting it EVERYWHERE. As long as it's food grade it's safe for people and pets. Years ago when I loved somewhere that had them we let off bombs. We took the kids on an adventure for the day and came back several hours later and then had a gross cleaning party for days. Getting rid of a lot of clutter, bags, boxes (they love cardboard) will help out a ton. Fewer places for them to hide.

Hope everyone is having a great weekend! Counting down till my days off, lol.

I am purchasing the van this week, did I mention that a few weeks ago? Anyways, I'll get to that story another day if I didnt!

 

[Snoonyb]

Yes, Thanks for that info but the topic is fireproofing a water heater stand. I can't find code that talks about fireproofing a WH stand. Is that just for gas water heaters or does that apply to all water Heaters that are on a stand? I'm starting to think that it applies only to gas WH's installed in a garage (except FVIR- equipped) because of their proximity to potential flammable vapors from things stored in a garage.

Terry Love made this comment...

"New metal stand is now code for water heaters. Wood is no good. New code wants to see metal stands now for water heaters."

Why did Terry say, "New code wants to see metal stands"? Is it because of fireproofing or earthquake proofing? Terry's next comment was . . .

"On the West coast they like to see earthquake strapping and flex connectors for gas and water. It shakes a bit out here on the coast."

I'd ask him why he said that but he's dead.

My thinking is this...An attached garage has to have a fire barrier between it and the house. A WH installed in a garage has to be on a stand because of all the potential flammable vapors found in a garage. It appears there may be code requiring a WH stand installed in a garage or room adjacent to a garage to be fireproof as well. Makes sense.

It seems the fireproof WH stand is a requirement of "Residential Code G2408" clearances of heat producing equipment to combustible materials.
They leave it up to the manufacture to determine this."

G2408.5 (305.8) Clearances to Combustible Construction​

Heat-producing equipment and appliances shall be installed to maintain the required clearances to combustible construction as specified in the listing and manufacturer's instructions."

I checked on Home Depot's website. The Reem gas fired WH manual says this, "The water heater may be installed on combustible floors, but not directly on carpeting. If the water heater must be installed on carpeting, place a metal or wood panel beneath the water heater, extending beyond its full width and depth at least 5” in all directions."

My electric AO Smith WH makes no mention of clearances to combustible materials.

I interpret it as, each jurisdiction set the standards, as, "in compliance with, but not less than". Although FVIR allows these appliances blanket installations, in a garage I'd install any gas fired appliances igniter, 18" above the floor, and again, depending upon the jurisdiction, on wood 5/8"DW and cement board, for elec. 3" off the floor.

Just a note; your exhaust from the drain pan should penetrate an exterior wall.

CA title 24, as you know, is a basket case of each fiefdom, has a say.I just used it because it was the easiest and most comprehensive to find.

 

[zannej]

Ron, hopefully it won't be too difficult to upgrade to 2" pipe later on, but it looks like you did a good job on the laundry area.

Shan, I'm glad you're enjoying your day off. Looking for your post in the plumbing forum... Found it!

Spent most of the day napping because it rained all day and I had sinus headaches. Zero energy for some reason. Need to cut back on carbs. Been eating too many mashed potatoes again. Friend wasn't able to come over bc of the rain, and frankly, I didn't wake up in time to bring him over anyway.

Need to go see if Mom is up and if she needs something to eat. She wasn't feeling great either. I think the smell of peppermint around her computer got to her a bit. I sprayed it all over. Also used the food grade diatomaceous earth but the stupid little buggers don't seem too bothered by it. Gonna have to clear out the living room and put in roach bombs.

 

[shan2themax]

So..... I tried to use my new outdoor outlet to hook my riding lawnmower battery up to the trickle charger..... and it doesn't work.
I plugged my receptacle tester in amd it says that it has an open hot..... so, I turned the breaker off and texted the electrician who wired it. Now my freezer is plugged into an extension cord (15amp/120 volt).
He's coming one day this week to look at it


I'm going to bed, I have 3 more work days before my days off.....

 

[havasu]

Ron, obviously my issue with the drywall on water heater stands were:
1) This was in California
2} This was in a garage
3} Mine were all gas water heaters
4} You know inspectors, they change their minds when someone slips them a few bucks.

 

[Snoonyb]

Ron, obviously my issue with the drywall on water heater stands were:
1) This was in California
2} This was in a garage
3} Mine were all gas water heaters
4} You know inspectors, they change their minds when someone slips them a few bucks.

#4 was the case in the Lennox section when it was the county, then it changed admin. and cleaned up.

I was never required to fireproof a wood stand, or compartment.

 

[Ron Van]

Ruby wanted a shelf in the laundry room. I looked online for a heavy duty shelf unit and they were pretty expensive. She found this one on FaceBook Market for $120 so we got it. It was purchased by a guy selling guns out of his house and he bought too many units so he sold this one to us.