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havasu said:
As long as the discussion is civil between members, we have no intention of squashing an entire section. Either grow thick skin,or do not click on this section.
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And I'm sure Havasu wanted to add that anyone can, from settings, unfollow or ignore members or threads they find offensive.
 
BvilleBound said:
I wish the staff of HouseRepairTalk.com would remove all of this junk about Covid vaccines -- which has zip to do with home repeair. At a minimum, everyone posting this stuff should take it somewhere else, e.g. Facebook. (Twitter will ban you for spreading misinformation about Covid vaccines.)
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Is it related to home repair? No, but the section is called "chit-chat"...

More broadly, why is that someone saying something that you dislike or disagree with should matter to you? (Or why shouldn't they be allowed to say it?) If someone thinks that anything that I or others said is wrong, please tell us how. Personally, I welcome that debate. Invariably one will hear things that one dislikes, disagrees, or finds total nonsense or offensive. One has to be willing to take a chance if one is to communicate with others outside one's bubble. Lastly, if one cannot reach an agreement, I think that respectfully agree to disagree is a fine outcome.
 
Steve123 said:
Any possibility you can provide us with a reliable source for that factoid ?
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Let me try to take a short at it, as well as justifying what I mentioned earlier. If you run a query on the CDC VAERS system (as described in this page) for covid then you'll see that there have been 12,386 deaths reported on the system (I just ran this). Now there is substantial uncertainty on the amount of under reporting in that system. This CDC report talk about a 6x factor (2 cases reported out of 12), and one could argue that that sample size is small and that would be a fair point. So the reality is that we don't know the real number in the US; it may be more or less than 50k. Either way, since under-reporting is expected (check the 2nd to last paragraph of the CDC report linked), that the number of covid vaccine related deaths is larger than 12k is guaranteed.

This page is also interesting in that it compares the VAERS numbers related to the covid vaccine in comparison to the other vaccines:
https://vaersanalysis.info/2022/02/04/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-01-28-2022/
As I've said before, what each person makes of this information is entirely up to them. In my personal opinion, 12k deaths is not a small or inconsequential thing, and one ought to look carefully at all the options available. I'm 100% committed to getting rid of this virus and, if everyone did as we did in our family, we would have been back to normal in time for the holidays in 2020. But I understand that each person's circumstances are different. Most importantly, no one should get to force others on how they live their life or manage their body.

Interesting teed-bit, do you all know why we didn't have mRNA vaccines before?
Because even though they were being developed to treat cancer (i.e., the alternative is almost certain death), they couldn't pass the clinical trials due to adverse reactions. Can't help to wonder what happened. (Learned this from a person that recently got a biotechnology degree.)
 
Why is it when the polio vaccine was rolled out almost everyone dutifully lined up to get one? With this virus we have what we have. If this was the case in the 60's we would still be battling polio instead it is basically extinct. The same is true of smallpox.
 
Weren't they both real vaccines? And no fetal cell line complicity.
 
A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease.

I have been vaccinated but still developed Covid. To me, this does not qualify as a vaccine.
 
My Mom has had shot, 2nd shot, booster shot. Lives in Assisted living that tests each week. But yesterday I get a call she feels fine but tested positive.
And out of the employees and other people that live there, she's currently the only positive. She has not been out of that place in weeks and no family visits, etc. I think she has what use to be called a cold (if she has any symtoms at all) and everything pertaining to coughing and sneezing is now classified as Covid.
 
68bucks said:
Why is it when the polio vaccine was rolled out almost everyone dutifully lined up to get one? With this virus we have what we have. If this was the case in the 60's we would still be battling polio instead it is basically extinct. The same is true of smallpox.
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Mrna 'vaccines' are not remotely similar to those used for smallpox, etc. In fact, these unlicensed, unapproved yes, even Pfizer (see below) 'vaccines' do not convey immunity nor do they impede transmissibility of the disease. This was finally admitted by Rochelle Walensky, explicitly and in no uncertain terms on January 10. 2022. Isn't this glaringly obvious by now?? They are only designed to lessen infection symptoms if or when you get infected. As such, these products do not meet the legal or medical definition of a vaccine.
The only thing approved was the new name (which will not go into effect for another two years) and an extension of the emergency use authorization - still as an experimental substance.
 
ekrig said:
Either way, since under-reporting is expected (check the 2nd to last paragraph of the CDC report linked), that the number of covid vaccine related deaths is larger than 12k is guaranteed.
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I expect you carefully selected the word "related", rather than "caused" but your post is still a misstatement.

A report to the VAERS does not constitute a conclusion of cause/effect. If somebody gets the vaccine, and the next day has a heart attack and dies, it will be reported to the VAERS database. This does not mean the vaccine caused the heart attack. But the scientists at the CDC can then use statistical analysis to review if occurrences of heart attacks is greater after a vaccine than in the general population.

In fact the CDC, writes in bold print --- "Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem."

But fearmongers try to spread misinformation.
 
Whenever the Leftists say "Misinformation" or "Disinformation", I laugh and automatically think the opposite. It's all a "Conspiracy theory"...

Biden said it would be a "Winter of Death" for the unvaccinated. Did he get that info from his "Doctor" Wife?

The "vaccines" aren't safe as proven, and they don't work. If they worked, Covid would have been over a long time ago combined with herd immunity.

They keep saying there is new variants, but I don't believe any of that. The ONLY thing the Leftists fear is LOSING POWER.
 
I think the first clue that we have been snookered was when the % of those who dutifully lined up like sheeple to receive the jab finally reached the magic herd immunity % only to find that it wasn't there. I am disappointed because the sheeple have failed to protect me so now I may have to decide whether or not to take a real vaccine when/if they become available. Normally I wouldn't question it but since I have learned that many other vaccines have used fetal cell lines a lot of research is needed before getting a jab of any sort. Whatever happened to transparency? And those of us who dare question are met with contempt and subjected to ad hominem attacks.
 
As far as I can tell from searching there has never been a vaccine that is/was 100% effective. Yet here we are no polio, no smallpox. Measles was basically gone until some years ago when the antivax crowd started to not get kids vaccinated then all of a sudden we had measal outbreaks again. So if your personal definition of a vaccine is 100% efficacy and lifetime protection then there has never been a vaccine, ever. I'm not playing the semantics game but call it what you want. Maybe some day mankind will invent a "vaccine." And I stand by my assertion that had our parents and grandparents had the same attitude as is common place now polio and smallpox would also be common place. Millions of people would have suffered or died from a myriad of diseases. Heck I have had probably 10 tetanus shots in my life following one injury or another because I couldn't remember when I got the last one. To me the CV19 vaccine is quite effective at preventing the disease and highly effective at preventing hospitalization and death. I do understand and appreciate not getting the vaccine based on religious reason due to the use of embryonic cells in development. That said I don't recall any leaders of any of the major religious groups telling their groups that they should not receive the vaccine based on that. Do what you want but I will use what tools are at my disposal to keep myself out of the hospital and to protect vulnerable people that I am in frequent contact with.
 
I think those that took the jab go overboard trying to justify doing so. All we are doing is laying out the facts so everyone can make an informed choice. Someone on a news blog offered that we are entering the era of regret. BTW one shouldn't need to ask some religious leader if abortion is wrong, it should be obvious.
 
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68bucks said:
As far as I can tell from searching there has never been a vaccine that is/was 100% effective. Yet here we are no polio, no smallpox.
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You conveniently ignore the fact that by the time a flu vaccine gets out, a new flu is around, and the vaccine only works on the old flu that most people have already had... and fully shotted people are still getting and spreading the newest flus...
We aren't against all vaccines/shots, just the ones that don't work and are more dangerous to healthy people than the flu is... everyone should be free to choose what they want, no Hitlerite-style mandates!
Controlling sick people is quarantine... controlling healthy people is tyranny!
Also, the manipulated mRNA flu shots are not a true vaccine, have a very short effective life, and no long term trials/tests to see if cause cancer, reproductive harm, or other problems, many of which we're already seeing, such as heart attack deaths in young people the day after getting the shots... plus the elevated antibodies levels when not needed lead to incurable auto immune diseases like Lupus...
The Johnson&Johnson is a true traditional vaccine, but it's recently currently put out of production because of side effects, and it's also only for 3 years ago Covid-2019 flu...
 
Eddie_T said:
BTW one shouldn't need to ask some religious leader if abortion is wrong, it should be obvious.
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Religics need to shut up about the Freedom Right to Choose Abortion... normal people have no problem with abortion...
The abortion debate isn't even really about abortion, it's just one of the current battlegrounds between Normal People and those suffering from evil foreign religion addiction mental illness trying to control all others...
 
The Leftists are hilarious when they try to force the fake cure on everybody while making it nearly impossible to get real cures like Ivermectin and Monoclonal Antibodies, while at the same time allowing a free for all at the Southern border for anyone that wants to get in while not requiring any of the illegals to be vaccinated.

Gee, I wonder what 3rd world diseases they are bringing with them?

THAT it's almost impossible to get the real cures (Besides Vitamin C, D Zinc etc) and the refusal to close the border makes it glaringly obvious that the Obama admin only wants cash for the pharma companies while eliciting control over the people for an endless time period. They could care less about eradicating the disease.

Well, I live in a Free State, and they can't do anything about it.
 
I got the two mandated Vaxes, but I'll be damned if I subject to more experimental shots that do not work, just like the masks. It is similar to standing behind a chain link fence in order to stop from getting wet when the sprinklers turn on. Enough is enough. Enough government reach. Let the government do what they do best. Lies, false promises, accepting bribes, learn that rules apply to thee, not me!
 
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