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it is called the black market. you can not stop it, they have been trying for years

guns go from one town to another
drugs go from one town to another
porn goes from one town to another
money goes from one town to another
stolen property goes from one town to another
prostitutes goe from truck stop to truck stop on the way from one town to another
boot leg goods from china.

it is not just guns, and the ones using the guns in inner cities are criminals
we do not have a gun problem in our inner cities,
we have a black gang and mental health problem in our inner cities.

before you start hollering "prejudice" because i said BLACKS

look at who commits the highest percentage of crimes in the inner cities

start with he city of chicago, it has the toughest gun laws in the USA, but has the highest gun violence rate
 
My problem is the flaming about issues.
There has been postings about cakes, guns, flags, gay people, trans people, Muslims, black people, political correctness, min wage, banks, medical plans, bad neighborhoods and I have likely missed a few.

I have not noticed anybody from what might be the left position posting here, I am sure those people may be members here or at least visit here. Are they just more polite or fear full of how it will be received or are they working to change there life and would just as soon not get into it.

I have seen post that are just ugly about contractors and some of us get our back up right away and protect our own.
Others ask how we would feel about a contractor that did A,B or C and we all get in there and try to help figure out how to best deal with a problem.

We all have our feeling about what we see as a problem. So are we looking to solve a problem or just flame something.

Getting back to the cake, I don't know but I could see an in house memo going out to fill that order and report it up, that guy could now be on a no fly list. Just saying.
 
WOW Neal,,,,you had to much coffee this morning.

you have not seen flaming, all you have seen is difference in opinions.

which I have noticed the left does not take kindly tooo.

they usually get all bowed up and start yelling everyone is prejudice or is attacking others instead of sticking to the original subject.

I have seen flaming before that would make a sailor blush..LOL

now. take my last post..# 121 I see no flaming what so ever...maybe i just dont know what that term means.

MY dumbarse thought it meant personal attacks.


I am lost here , do not understand the meaning.

"""" Getting back to the cake, I don't know but I could see an in house memo going out to fill that order and report it up, that guy could now be on a no fly list. Just saying."""
 
Neal is about as close as it gets to the left around here. I really do wish more would join in and talk about it. As Frodo says many just get their panties in a wad and take things personal but that happens on both sides. The problem with much of the left is that they are very young and not educated in really what is going on and just listen and agree with a person they idolize. (Please don't take that the wrong way) but the majority of schools, teachers, professors and the like push a very hard stance to the left and then you add in the poor and tell them you will give them something for free and they will join your side without even knowing what your side is.

Most people believe the right is only out there to make money and cut taxes for the wealthy. They are not. What I believe the right stands for is working hard, saving what you can and being conservative in every aspect of your life. That doesn't mean screw the guy who is not doing good but just the opposite, teach him and help him be better on his own. Goes back to the old saying. Give a man a fish he will eat for a day but teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

Now I am not saying the left is bad or wrong in any way. Heck the left 50 years ago was pretty much what the right is now days. The left has a lot of good but the new liberal attitude is what pushes me away.

By the way there are gays, guns, cakes, trans and weirdos on both sides.
 
Chris said:
Neal is about as close as it gets to the left around here. I really do wish more would join in and talk about it. As Frodo says many just get their panties in a wad and take things personal but that happens on both sides. The problem with much of the left is that they are very young and not educated in really what is going on and just listen and agree with a person they idolize. (Please don't take that the wrong way) but the majority of schools, teachers, professors and the like push a very hard stance to the left and then you add in the poor and tell them you will give them something for free and they will join your side without even knowing what your side is.

Most people believe the right is only out there to make money and cut taxes for the wealthy. They are not. What I believe the right stands for is working hard, saving what you can and being conservative in every aspect of your life. That doesn't mean screw the guy who is not doing good but just the opposite, teach him and help him be better on his own. Goes back to the old saying. Give a man a fish he will eat for a day but teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

Now I am not saying the left is bad or wrong in any way. Heck the left 50 years ago was pretty much what the right is now days. The left has a lot of good but the new liberal attitude is what pushes me away.

By the way there are gays, guns, cakes, trans and weirdos on both sides.
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I like german chocolate cake with coconut pecan chocolate frosting

yummmmmyummmm !!!!



and i tall glass of cold milk not 2% whole milk,,with extra fat!!!!
 
I don't care who votes for who. There is not much more on our TVs other than your election, we watch our own, but that is usually done in a couple months. The we can go back to being angry at government, no matter who won.
We live in countries with what we loosely call democracy.
Voting to elect a government is not just a right or a privilege, it is also a responsibility. Not just to go vote. A federal election is really tricky because we all have certain things we feel strongly about and will tend to vote for the guy that talks like he will give us that. Most of the time they don't talk about how they are going to do it, how that effect other people at the other end of the country or how they will negotiate to get somewhere in the middle. If you can't make everyone happy, at least talk honestly about it.

Your right to own a gun seems to be right up against how other people feel about their right to what ever they feel strongly apart.
Who is talking about what might be possible to stop your fear of loosing and the other side some win.

Pick a subject and I likely won't know anymore than I do about guns and if the other side doesn't come with opposing views to help you understand that what you want may not be good for the country, I will be happy to chime in.
Mostly I do like to know both sides of an issue because tomorrow I may be arguing on your side against some left winger, and believe me we have more than our share of those.

Then don't forget that you do not live in a democracy where the majority rules. You live in a republic, I haven't checked the language for the definition of the word but I think is something about protecting the minority from the majority.
 
Our elections especially this one are a long drawn out ordeal. Really it doesn't matter who gets elected here either. It never gets better and we just go into more debt. Nobody ever cuts the old and just adds new ideas that they think will work. With so many people against each other and such a corrupt government nothing will ever change. We could probably can 2/3 of our government workforce and run it better but that will never happen.


Teach me about your government and how it works? Do you all feel about how we do about ours?

Why do they put ours on your tv? We don't get to watch anything from up north unless it is a Mayer doing crack or something.
 
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html


These two forms of government: Democracy and Republic, are not only dissimilar but antithetical, reflecting the sharp contrast between (a) The Majority Unlimited, in a Democracy, lacking any legal safeguard of the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and (b) The Majority Limited, in a Republic under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual and The Minority; as we shall now see.



James Madison
"As there is a degree of depravity in mankind which requires a certain degree of circumspection and distrust: So there are other qualities in human nature, which justify a certain portion of esteem and confidence. Republican government (that of a Republic) presupposes the existence of these qualities in a higher degree than any other form. Were the pictures which have been drawn by the political jealousy of some among us, faithful likenesses of the human character, the inference would be that there is not sufficient virtue among men for self government; and that nothing less than the chains of despotism can restrain them from destroying and devouring one another." (Emphasis added.)


maybe this will help you understand the difference, , I am a republican, my goal is to safe guard the constitution in its purest form
 
Chris said:
Our elections especially this one are a long drawn out ordeal. Really it doesn't matter who gets elected here either. It never gets better and we just go into more debt. Nobody ever cuts the old and just adds new ideas that they think will work. With so many people against each other and such a corrupt government nothing will ever change. We could probably can 2/3 of our government workforce and run it better but that will never happen.


Teach me about your government and how it works? Do you all feel about how we do about ours?

Why do they put ours on your tv? We don't get to watch anything from up north unless it is a Mayer doing crack or something.
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The whole world watches your elections, you are not some island in the Atlantic.
If you screw up an election you can screw everything up and as you get further away from finding solutions to problems the world takes notice.
I think it is easier to talk about your politics so we can better understand each other with out attacking each other.

Our system.:rofl:
The PM sit in the house much like your speaker.
The cabinet is pulled from the rank and file members by the PM and he can change them at his whim.
The PM appoints federal judges and senators for life, The senate has no power per say but can spend a lot of money.
If the government has a majority of members he is much like a dictator, they can push almost anything they want to.
If he pushes a bill and it doesn't pass the house he usually has to call an election.
And he decides when to call an election.
We have more parties so he can win without a majority but then he has to deal with other parties to stay in office.

The voters here are just like yours, they follow party line, fear and hate what they are told to fear and hate, talk past each other, same old stuff.
 
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Isn't Trudeau the son of a long standing PM there? Are they considered the elite, similar to the Queen of England?
 
havasu said:
Isn't Trudeau the son of a long standing PM there? Are they considered the elite, similar to the Queen of England?
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that is why we need term limits here, some of the goof balls forget they work for the people, we do not work for them.

the forefathers never intended for carrier politicians, matter of fact they were completely against it, and they were against a 2 party system.

In fact, the Founding Fathers warned us about the threat from a two party system.

John Adams said:


There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.

George Washington agreed, saying in his farewell presidential speech:



The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.


Thomas Jeffferson on term limits

http://eyler.freeservers.com/JeffPers/jefpco33.htm
 
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I is 4AM, I cant sleep, I have been up since 1AM drinking coffee and petting the cat

I started thinking about the responses on here concerning the muslim refugees.

or rather we should let them into our country,

I understand talking about hundreds of thousands of people is a very daunting conversation.

So, I am breaking it down to a manageable equation .

Here Goes.

You are the USA family, your family consists of a Dad,Mom, 2 daughters, 2 sons,
You live in a neighborhood with other families, MR,&Mrs Germany, the Englands, and many more.
The neighborhood over a couple of blocks ha had a gas leak and some of the families are being displaced.
The biggest concern is a Half way house that houses newly released pediphiles from the state prison.

your neighbor took in 2 of the occupants from the half way house, one of them tried to rape his daughter.
your wife is against letting them stay with your family.
but you think it is the thing to do, help out your fellow man. they would not be a danger to the public, or they would not have left them out. They call it vetting, A old woman asks if they promise to be good, when they say yes. they are vetted
but.....AUTHORITIES say the system is fool proof, they are SOOOOO trustworthy, you simply must believe them.
your neighbors daughter ? she is a little tramp anyway in your opinion, never did like her.

so. here we are.
your wife says no do not let them in, for the safety of your family
you want to let them in..you see no danger.

What is your responsibility to your family ?
do you want Clear and convincing evidence or Preponderance of the evidence

before subjecting your family to danger

In my opinion, It is a judgement call, A type of call that if only effected YOU, could go either way.
BUT, the safety of the members of your family, make the decision clear.

they can not stay

now that your mind is made up, the other neighbors are angry you are not taking in some of the residents.
never mind, that their children are being assaulted and raped,,,their children want them OUT of their houses.

You are accused of not being charitable. never mind that the USA family gives more money in aid to the needy in your neighborhood than ALL the rest of the neighbors COMBINED.
never mind that the residents of the halfway house have VERBALLY spoken out that they WILL rape and kill your children if given the chance
YOU STILL think it is better to let them stay than to protect your family.

Your family, has asked that you buy some tents, and put them up over at the park. and let them stay over their
you reject their advice and forge ahead with moving them into your home.
 
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frodo said:
I is 4AM, I cant sleep, I have been up since 1AM drinking coffee and petting the cat

I started thinking about the responses on here concerning the muslim refugees.

or rather we should let them into our country,

I understand talking about hundreds of thousands of people is a very daunting conversation.

So, I am breaking it down to a manageable equation .

Here Goes.

You are the USA family, your family consists of a Dad,Mom, 2 daughters, 2 sons,
You live in a neighborhood with other families, MR,&Mrs Germany, the Englands, and many more.
The neighborhood over a couple of blocks ha had a gas leak and some of the families are being displaced.
The biggest concern is a Half way house that houses newly released pediphiles from the state prison.

your neighbor took in 2 of the occupants from the half way house, one of them tried to rape his daughter.
your wife is against letting them stay with your family.
but you think it is the thing to do, help out your fellow man. they would not be a danger to the public, or they would not have left them out. They call it vetting, A old woman asks if they promise to be good, when they say yes. they are vetted
but.....AUTHORITIES say the system is fool proof, they are SOOOOO trustworthy, you simply must believe them.
your neighbors daughter ? she is a little tramp anyway in your opinion, never did like her.

so. here we are.
your wife says no do not let them in, for the safety of your family
you want to let them in..you see no danger.

What is your responsibility to your family ?
do you want Clear and convincing evidence or Preponderance of the evidence

before subjecting your family to danger

In my opinion, It is a judgement call, A type of call that if only effected YOU, could go either way.
BUT, the safety of the members of your family, make the decision clear.

they can not stay

now that your mind is made up, the other neighbors are angry you are not taking in some of the residents.
never mind, that their children are being assaulted and raped,,,their children want them OUT of their houses.

You are accused of not being charitable. never mind that the USA family gives more money in aid to the needy in your neighborhood than ALL the rest of the neighbors COMBINED.
never mind that the residents of the halfway house have VERBALLY spoken out that they WILL rape and kill your children if given the chance
YOU STILL think it is better to let them stay than to protect your family.

Your family, has asked that you buy some tents, and put them up over at the park. and let them stay over their
you reject their advice and forge ahead with moving them into your home.
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I suggest you get some sleep and finish this fairy tale tomorrow.
 
You started you post about Muslims and some how turned that into rapists at a half way house.
So we all have fears of the halfway house and the choice would be to have a halfway house or just release them into the public. I think there would be a set of rules for the half way house if the need to evacuate happened.
But you turned that real fear into something about Muslims. Is that really fair?
 
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