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why yes i did post the list, and that list might have a few B's and H's in it but no where does it say Bush and you know very well what we are discussing.

bernie's proposed tax increase is 8% for middle class.


a guy making $100.00 k pays 28% fica, 7.9% ss that is 36% bernie wanted to add aprox 8% = 52%

to pay for college,medicare for everybody and moe gimmie gimmie stuff





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Pay attention I will type slow so you can keep up.
I did not bring up welfare, a state issue,
I did not post a page dated 2008, so you invoked Bush.
Last I heard Bernie is not the problem you have.
 
You got me Neal I'm gonna vote hillary now, she will do so much better for me and my family. I'm sure I will keep more of my hard earned money. I won't have to worry about as much because I will know my government is backing me 100%. They won't let me or my business fail. I'm sure my Healthcare costs will go down as well.
 
Really, on a serious note. What will hillary do to help me and my family. Leave out anything about others because at this point I am in it for me and my family not others getting assistance. What has she said she will do to help me, a middle class business owner?
 
I really learning alot about the mindset of some on the other side. Please continue.
 
Chris said:
You got me Neal I'm gonna vote hillary now, she will do so much better for me and my family. I'm sure I will keep more of my hard earned money. I won't have to worry about as much because I will know my government is backing me 100%. They won't let me or my business fail. I'm sure my Healthcare costs will go down as well.
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Do you really think that, that is what I want you to do.
I would b just is hard on Hillary supporters that come spewing party line crap and one liners.

You guys don't seem to know why a democracy works, what makes it work or that you don't live in one.

You do not have a parliamentary democracy like we do, where we elect a dictator and the parties yell at each other in the house of commons.

Your system was designed for reasonable people to recognize a problem and talk it out and solve a problem.

The longer it takes for the people in your country to fix it the closer you are to electing a Trump or some other dictator type from either side.

I have a special interest in your country, one side of my family came from the south. My family fought the British, my family lost boys on both side of the civil war.

I have not started one of these things and if no one likes my opinion, shut up about it.:usa:
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Chris said:
I for one don't hate either side and they both have good points, if they could work together that would be great. I am not sure when things changed from promoting yourself to slamming your opponent but it is really annoying. We really don't have much good to say about either and honestly I have no idea how either have made it this far.

On another note I must be dumb when it comes to how someone is elected, do our votes count for anything at all? I mean all over the news they talk about electoral votes and how if trump doesn't get more he will not be president. If this whole thing is based on electoral votes than why do we bother voting? I remember last election I was on my way to my polling place when they announced Obama as president. I thought to myself how is this possible when not everyone has even voted yet? I think this whole system is rigged and predetermined and bought. The more I look at politics the less I like how this country is run.

This whole election is two monkeys ****ing a football and we are the football.
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Presidential elections are determined by the Electoral College, not popular votes.

Party primaries are decided by delegates and while they were chosen by popular vote have no duty to vote as they were sent to do. The actual candidates are hand-picked by the political parties. You have no say in that.

Your popular vote is watered down by the dead and illegals voting, no photo ID needed allowing persons (including illegals and felons) to vote more than once and in differing jurisdictions. And on top of all of this you have grand scheme voting fraud, manipulating return results.

Civics was dropped from the educational system years ago and the result(s) is for askew-ed voting results. It is a dumbed down populace. Most haven't the faintest idea how their government functions.

Your Representative Republic is not what most thinks it is.
 
nealtw said:
I thinks Trumps great would have been back when only white male land owners voted and he would have won.:)
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Are you saying Trump is racist? Better yet, exactly what is it you are you implying... :confused:
 
This electoral college crap is 250 years old. Long before telegraphs, telephones, cars and planes. It is an unnecessary evil which we really need to get away from.
 
nealtw said:
Do you really think that, that is what I want you to do.
I would b just is hard on Hillary supporters that come spewing party line crap and one liners.

You guys don't seem to know why a democracy works, what makes it work or that you don't live in one.

You do not have a parliamentary democracy like we do, where we elect a dictator and the parties yell at each other in the house of commons.

Your system was designed for reasonable people to recognize a problem and talk it out and solve a problem.

The longer it takes for the people in your country to fix it the closer you are to electing a Trump or some other dictator type from either side.

I have a special interest in your country, one side of my family came from the south. My family fought the British, my family lost boys on both side of the civil war.

I have not started one of these things and if no one likes my opinion, shut up about it.:usa:
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So what are we supposed to do as citizens of the United States of America? Are we supposed to just not vote and hope that people wake up and work together?
 
My thing is, I don't believe that Trump would follow through on any of his promises. He was a Democrat and good friend to Hillary and Bill for many many years and all of a sudden he changes his stance and starts saying things that make him sound nutso to the point that it is scaring many people in to voting for Hillary.

I'm not saying that he can't change his mind on things (Lincoln used to think slavery was fine but after he saw how slaves were treated first-hand he changed his mind), but it just seems rather convenient. My personal suspicion is that he started out intending to get people to vote for Hillary and never expected to get as far in the race as he did but once he did, he decided to see it all the way through. I don't trust him.

I also don't trust Hillary. She's a lying, sociopathic piece of excrement who would probably sell her mother to the highest bidder. All she cares about is her own ego and personal gain.

I'm not voting for either one of them. I'm just going to have to pick someone from one of the smaller parties.
The ones that will be on ballots in my area:
Jill Stein/Ajamu Baraka (Green)
Gary Johnson/Bill Weld (Libertarian)
Darrell Lane Castle/Scott Bradley (Constitution - listed as Other)
Evan McMullin/Nathan Johnson (Courage, Character, Service - listed as Other)[1]
Laurence Kotlikoff/Edward Lea (It's our Children - listed as Other)
Tom Hoefling/Steve Schulin (Life, Family, Constitution - listed as Other)
Princes Jacob/Milton Fambro (Loyal, Trustworthy, Compassion - listed as Other)
Gloria Estela La Riva/Eugene Puryear (Socialism and Liberation - listed as Other)
Jerry White/Niles Niemuth (Socialism, Equality, Anti-War - listed as Other)
Alyson Kennedy/Osborne Hart (Socialist Workers - listed as Other)
Chris Keniston/Deacon Taylor (Veterans - listed as Other)
(list was copied and pasted from a website about who is on the ballot in my state-- so I did not choose the order)

Just not sure which one of them. But no way in hell am I voting for Trump or Hillary.

Anyway, I found this amusing:

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KULTULZ said:
Are you saying Trump is racist? Better yet, exactly what is it you are you implying... :confused:
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Listen to 24 of his speeches, you don't need to find emails to find what he really thinks. He constantly says different things to different people and then denies saying things. You choose, he is dangerously stupid, or dangerously crafty.

Middle east, you choose, blow them to hell, send in troops with some sort of plan, leave it to Russia.

Pull troops out of foreign countries, does he know why they are there.

Remove regulations from banking, you have seen that movie

Step away from Nato

Start a trade war while tightening the boarders.

Build more nukes

Increase the size of the spending or upgrading equipment or something in the military.

Fix the inner cities, with out saying what that means.

I don't know if he is a racist but he spews enough garbage to give permission to give anyone that feels like that to come out of the woodwork.

Political correctness is nothing more than tool to use to educate the people and mostly the children that certain things hurt people.
We find out what hurts people because they tell us so and if we care about hurting other people we change the language we use to protect every ones right to live peacefully.
The permission he has given himself and anyone else to ignore that has alone backed up your country 50 or 60 years.

Everyone complains about executive orders, he promises to match Obama on day one. BTW the only illegal order is the one that is turned over by the courts, or doesn't the constitution count.

If the constitution counts Bill was acquitted by the senate I think
The very best have tried to find something on Hillary, they are very inept or there is no there there.
I think she is guilty of politics but last I heard, not a crime as such.

Who, asks the Russian to help with the election and then gets it. Trump

If you don't find all this scary I suggest you go and read some speeches by Hitler and Mussolini.

You people are not choosing who is the best candidate. You are voting to save our country as you know it. Unless you don't believe anything he said.
If that can make sense.
 
havasu said:
This electoral college crap is 250 years old. Long before telegraphs, telephones, cars and planes. It is an unnecessary evil which we really need to get away from.
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In the parliamentary system each riding elects a member of parliament and each of those has a vote for PM. When yours was designed they would have sent someone to carry a letter in person to be counted, or just have him report the results.
 
KULTULZ said:
Presidential elections are determined by the Electoral College, not popular votes.

Party primaries are decided by delegates and while they were chosen by popular vote have no duty to vote as they were sent to do. The actual candidates are hand-picked by the political parties. You have no say in that.

Your popular vote is watered down by the dead and illegals voting, no photo ID needed allowing persons (including illegals and felons) to vote more than once and in differing jurisdictions. And on top of all of this you have grand scheme voting fraud, manipulating return results.

Civics was dropped from the educational system years ago and the result(s) is for askew-ed voting results. It is a dumbed down populace. Most haven't the faintest idea how their government functions.

Your Representative Republic is not what most thinks it is.
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Popular vote does not work and you founding fathers were smart to recognize that.

Suspected fraud would be more to the point.
Actually proven was something like 31 cases in I billion votes. Some one actually counted them.

The dumbed down part goes along with party membership, no one has to think or research or think, just vote for who ever the party puts up there.
 
zannej said:
My thing is, I don't believe that Trump would follow through on any of his promises. He was a Democrat and good friend to Hillary and Bill for many many years and all of a sudden he changes his stance and starts saying things that make him sound nutso to the point that it is scaring many people in to voting for Hillary.

I'm not saying that he can't change his mind on things (Lincoln used to think slavery was fine but after he saw how slaves were treated first-hand he changed his mind), but it just seems rather convenient. My personal suspicion is that he started out intending to get people to vote for Hillary and never expected to get as far in the race as he did but once he did, he decided to see it all the way through. I don't trust him.

I also don't trust Hillary. She's a lying, sociopathic piece of excrement who would probably sell her mother to the highest bidder. All she cares about is her own ego and personal gain.

I'm not voting for either one of them. I'm just going to have to pick someone from one of the smaller parties.
The ones that will be on ballots in my area:
Jill Stein/Ajamu Baraka (Green)
Gary Johnson/Bill Weld (Libertarian)
Darrell Lane Castle/Scott Bradley (Constitution - listed as Other)
Evan McMullin/Nathan Johnson (Courage, Character, Service - listed as Other)[1]
Laurence Kotlikoff/Edward Lea (It's our Children - listed as Other)
Tom Hoefling/Steve Schulin (Life, Family, Constitution - listed as Other)
Princes Jacob/Milton Fambro (Loyal, Trustworthy, Compassion - listed as Other)
Gloria Estela La Riva/Eugene Puryear (Socialism and Liberation - listed as Other)
Jerry White/Niles Niemuth (Socialism, Equality, Anti-War - listed as Other)
Alyson Kennedy/Osborne Hart (Socialist Workers - listed as Other)
Chris Keniston/Deacon Taylor (Veterans - listed as Other)
(list was copied and pasted from a website about who is on the ballot in my state-- so I did not choose the order)

Just not sure which one of them. But no way in hell am I voting for Trump or Hillary.

Anyway, I found this amusing:
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The party for the most part said nothing when Trump became a birther, they left the door open because it helped them short term. Like that was good for the country.:usa:

Slavery was already over, Britain was blocking slave ships as they had got to their new position 50 years earlier. Or there abouts.

Lincoln was not trying to stop slavery in the south he blocked slaves from being sold into the territories. It was all about the rich white guys.
 
So Neal, what do you think we should do this election time? Should we vote? should we not? Who do you think has the right idea for our country?
 
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